[ALAC] Replacement Electors

Mon Feb 13 02:58:12 UTC 2017

I do admit to frustration over this - going back to Wolf’s email and beyond.

I don’t think anyone is happy with a situation where one of the candidates can cast a ballot (presumably for themselves) and the other can’t.  We are probably stuck with having the NomCom appointed member appoint a proxy.  So unless BOTH candidates do not vote, then let’s proceed with the appointment (and I’m not sure we would have any way of testing what that person believes is in the best interest of ALAC, etc. - including any prior conversations held).

Holly

On 13 Feb 2017, at 1:44 pm, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:

> First off, any solution that removes the ability of the member to freely choose and associate is inherently flawed.  We want to say the position is open to all but we place a picket on electors. 
> 
> Seun gave one perfectly reasonable and rational solution. But we feel duty-bound to pay lip service to this charade of non-ambition of this class by asking reasonable people to suspect an elector's belief that his/her election would serve the best interest of the At-Large, the ALAC or ICANN , do we? [Quick question? Who could persuade me to vote for a fella who wouldn't even vote for himself for a position?]  
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> Here's another solution, from time out of memory; the NomCom-appointed member appoint his proxy from among the class of electors; the [NomCom-appointed] member simply select and gift his unfettered proxy to another elector.
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> Otherwise, disqualify all electors from being candidates.
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> -Carlton
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> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
> The restriction of a candidate not voting in the election is a requirement from the ICANN Bylaws. That is not likely to change.
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> The process to allow a RALO to name a replacement elector is in the ALAC RoP. The rules were carefully crafted so as to not negatively impact a NomCom appointed ALAC member if they chose to run for the Board seat - in the absence of such a rule, the vote would simply be uncast. If the ALAC so wishes, that can be changed at some point in the future, but this current selection is being run under the current RoP. 
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> The replacement elector is bound by the same rules as other ALAC members. They MUST NOT cast a directed vote but must be what the elector (and I quote RoP 19.10.4) "believes to be in the best interests of At-Large, the ALAC and ICANN". What is listed and what is not listed here was deliberately crafted.
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> Alan
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> At 10/02/2017 02:54 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Actually I do think the simple fix is to allow any nominee to be able to cast his/her vote if the nominee happen to be an elector. I don't see any major reason why we restrict them in the first place as their "singular" vote wouldn't get them elected.
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>> I was able to cast my vote as member of AFRINIC for the election that placed me on the Board and ofcourse my vote wasn't the deciding factor(it could have been as well). 
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>> On that note, we may perhaps just put a condition that the nominee vote cannot break a tie(if that happens), even I still don't think we need to put any restriction.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Sent from my LG G4
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
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>> On Feb 10, 2017 17:08, "Carlton Samuels" < carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I add my support for Fatima to replace Leon as elector for the Board member election.  
>> 
>> Notwithstanding my support here, the rule that makes the RALO the determining voice for the vote of a NomCom appointed ALAC member is hopelessly flawed. 
>> 
>> Maybe it was unintentional but this impugns the independence of the member. The unfettered independence of the NomCom appointed ALAC member is a major objective of that process and is meant to insulate that person from regional passions. That independence is especially valuable when that is an elector for the Board member. should not be conscripted. 
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>> -Carlton Samuels
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