<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I do admit to frustration over this - going back to Wolf’s email and beyond.<div><br></div><div>I don’t think anyone is happy with a situation where one of the candidates can cast a ballot (presumably for themselves) and the other can’t. We are probably stuck with having the NomCom appointed member appoint a proxy. So unless BOTH candidates do not vote, then let’s proceed with the appointment (and I’m not sure we would have any way of testing what that person believes is in the best interest of ALAC, etc. - including any prior conversations held).</div><div><br></div><div>Holly</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 13 Feb 2017, at 1:44 pm, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">First off, any solution that removes the ability of the member to freely choose and associate is inherently flawed. We want to say the position is open to all but we place a picket on electors. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Seun gave one perfectly reasonable and rational solution. But we feel duty-bound to pay lip service to this charade of non-ambition of this class by asking reasonable people to suspect an elector's belief that his/her election would serve the best interest of the At-Large, the ALAC or ICANN , do we? [Quick question? Who could persuade me to vote for a fella who wouldn't even vote for himself for a position?] <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Here's another solution, from time out of memory; the NomCom-appointed member appoint his proxy from among the class of electors; the [NomCom-appointed] member simply select and gift his unfettered proxy to another elector.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Otherwise, disqualify all electors from being candidates.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">-Carlton</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>==============================<br><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</font></i><br><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i></font><br>=============================</div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The restriction of a candidate not voting in the election is a
requirement from the ICANN Bylaws. That is not likely to change.<br><br>
The process to allow a RALO to name a replacement elector is in the ALAC
RoP. The rules were carefully crafted so as to not negatively impact a
NomCom appointed ALAC member if they chose to run for the Board seat - in
the absence of such a rule, the vote would simply be uncast. If the ALAC
so wishes, that can be changed at some point in the future, but this
current selection is being run under the current RoP. <br><br>
The replacement elector is bound by the same rules as other ALAC members.
They MUST NOT cast a directed vote but must be what the elector (and I
quote RoP 19.10.4) <b><u>"believes to be in the best interests of
At-Large, the ALAC and ICANN"</u></b>. What is listed and what is
not listed here was deliberately crafted.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
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At 10/02/2017 02:54 PM, you wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-1770091317154608997cite">Hello,<br><br>
Actually I do think the simple fix is to allow any nominee to be able to
cast his/her vote if the nominee happen to be an elector. I don't see any
major reason why we restrict them in the first place as their
"singular" vote wouldn't get them elected.<br><br>
I was able to cast my vote as member of AFRINIC for the election that
placed me on the Board and ofcourse my vote wasn't the deciding factor(it
could have been as well). <br><br>
On that note, we may perhaps just put a condition that the nominee vote
cannot break a tie(if that happens), even I still don't think we need to
put any restriction.<br><br>
Regards<br>
Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br><br>
On Feb 10, 2017 17:08, "Carlton Samuels"
<<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">
carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>I add my support for Fatima to replace Leon as elector for the Board
member election. <br><br>
</dd><dd>Notwithstanding my support here, the rule that makes the RALO the
determining voice for the vote of a NomCom appointed ALAC member is
hopelessly flawed. <br><br>
</dd><dd>Maybe it was unintentional but this impugns the independence of the
member. The unfettered independence of the NomCom appointed ALAC member
is a major objective of that process and is meant to insulate that person
from regional passions. That independence is especially valuable when
that is an elector for the Board member. should not be conscripted.
<br><br>
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