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Roberto
Plantea buenas preguntas pero puede que no sea una u otra, MSM o
no.
Las reformas tambi茅n son posibles.
Al igual que los sistemas mixtos que creo que ICANN afirm贸 estar trabajando
Hacia al menos un rato. 驴No es por eso que se form贸 At Large? Eso
Simplemente nunca se ha desarrollado mucho en una organizaci贸n "en general" y
(probablemente por eso) nunca tuvo mucha influencia dentro de la ICANN.
Las estructuras de gobierno per se son un tema complicado y ser铆a
irresponsable para m铆 o para cualquier otra persona, simplemente sugerir otra cosa
Estructuras en una discusi贸n como esta.
Pero tengo, en las reuniones de la ICANN dirigidas a las personas involucradas, por ejemplo
Sugiri贸 que sus NomCom operen con mayor transparencia. Como
Enumerar a los candidatos como se hace con algunos de los asientos que no son NomCom
(ASO / AC, IETF.)
TBH fue recibido con burla y me fue explicado como si fuera un
ni o por eso ser铆a absolutamente imposible Principalmente razones d茅biles como
Otros que escuchaban parec铆an estar de acuerdo m谩s tarde.No necesariamente estuvieron de acuerdo
conmigo al 100% en cada punto, pero estuvieron de acuerdo en que me encogieron de hombros
off, "no tienen que responder preguntas como esa, y no lo har谩n como
acabas de ver. "En un instante me convert铆 en Paul Footy.
Debe haber alg煤n punto intermedio, pero llevar铆a mucho pensamiento.
El objetivo no ser铆a eliminar a los llamados "stakeholders", solo
Para reequilibrar los procesos.
El 1 de julio de 2019 a las 19:36 roberto_gaetano en hotmail.com (Roberto Gaetano) escribi贸:
> Hi Barry
> I believe that the picture drawn by Paul R. Letho is a caricature rather than an objective picture of the multi-stakeholderism - but this is by and large irrelevant for what I want to say.
>
> Let鈥檚 assume that we embrace his theories and we get rid of the multi-stakeholder model. What happens?
> If I understand correctly, according to Paul R. Letho the stakeholders become again what they were in first place, i.e. lobbyists. So, by definition of lobbyist they will lobby somebody to get their interests taken care of. My first question is: whom are they lobbying?
> Translated into ICANN world, the only 鈥渨ho鈥 I see is the ICANN Board. So, the second question: who are the ICANN Directors and how do they get elected? Up to now, according to the multi-stakeholder model, some are elected/nominated by different stakeholders - pardon me, lobbyists - while others are selected by the NomCom, that I assume should disappear if we get rid of the multi-stakeholder model, because its composition is again an instance of multi-stakeholderism.
> So, in short, how can ICANN get rid od the supposedly failing multi-stakeholder model and go back to what Paul R. Letho defines 鈥渄emocracy鈥?
> Or, in simple words, how would a non-multi-stakeholder model be designed and implemented for ICANN?
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
> > On 01.07.2019, at 00:36, bzs en theworld.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Before it was removed in November 2016 the "Criticisms" section of
> > Wikipedia's "Multistakeholder Governance Model" read:
> >
> > Criticism of multistakeholderism comes from Paul R. Lehto,
> > J.D.{{Citation needed|date=March 2014}}, who fears that in
> > multistakeholderism, those who would be lobbyists become
> > legislators, and nobody else has a vote. Lehto states that "In a
> > democracy, it is a scandal when lobbyists have so much influence
> > that they write the drafts of laws. But in multistakeholder
> > situations they take that scandal to a whole new level: those who
> > would be lobbyists in a democracy (corporations, experts, civil
> > society) become the legislators themselves, and dispense with all
> > public elections and not only write the laws but pass them, enforce
> > them, and in some cases even set up courts of arbitration that are
> > usually conditioned on waiving the right to go to the court system
> > set up by democracies. A vote is just a minimum requirement of
> > justice. Without a vote, law is just force inflicted by the wealthy
> > and powerful. Multistakeholderism is a coup d鈥檈tat against democracy
> > by those who would merely be lobbyists in a democratic system.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multistakeholder_governance_model&diff鐨93583&oldid鐢97618
> >
> > Sound familiar?
> >
> > It doesn't even touch upon how those lobbyist/legislators are chosen
> > except by implication.
> >
> > Sometimes summarized as:
> >
> > Multistakeholderism: A governance structure of, by, and for the
> > lobbyists.
> >
> > --
> > -Barry Shein
> >
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