[lac-discuss-en] [.AMAZON] LACRALO about .AMAZON delegation

[Carlton Samuels]

Let the record show that Lance, Jacqueline and Dev cannot be successfully
challenged on fact. A statement may not be communicated as a statement from
the LACRALO membership without the membership indicating its support or
not. There is a mechanism and a procedure for that to be determined.
Neither the mechanism nor the procedure was exercised in this case.

 +1 to Dev's further statement.

-Carlton Samuels

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On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:31 PM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Regarding the proposed statement:
>
> I do not support the draft statement since the statement is directed to
> ICANN for the ICANN board to not delegate .amazon. As Lance and Carlton has
> pointed out, Amazon Inc, are in sustained negotiations with ACTO and we
> should wait to review the outcomes of those negotiations.
>
> The core grievance in the statement seems to me to be the lack of
> multistakeholder inclusion such as civil society and indigenous peoples in
> ACTO where such civil society and indigenous peoples can raise their issues
> and be heard, seen and respected  by the governments in ACTO. As such, any
> such statement should be directed to the governments of Bolivia, Brazil,
> Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Peru, Suriname and Venezuela calling on those
> governments for more inclusion of civil society and indigenous peoples in
> ACTO.
>
> Governments' treatment of civil society and indigenous peoples are not the
> responsibility of ICANN or the Amazon company.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dev Anand
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:29 PM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I also agree with Jacqueline, Lance, and Bartlett on this. This cannot be
>> considered a LACRALO statement given the insufficient process to discuss
>> the statement properly and support.
>>
>> If organisations want to support on their own, then as Jacqueline
>> suggested change it from LACRALO to " Joint Statement from organizations in
>> the LAC region"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 10:01 AM Bartlett Morgan <me at bartlettmorgan.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a matter of process, I must chime in to agree with Jacqueline on
>>> this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is, in my estimation, necessary to get support from LACRALO for
>>> publishing a statement like this. In order to achieve that, I imagine that
>>> some opportunity must exist for us to openly discuss the statement that we
>>> are supposed to fall behind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the very least, LACRALO members must, by a majority of our numbers,
>>> indicate our support for this statement in order for it to validly sport
>>> the LACRALO sign-off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Failing this, I am not comfortable going on record in support of this
>>> statement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 4, 2019 8:50 AM
>>> *To: *Harold Arcos <harold.arcos at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *LACRALO discussion list <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [lac-discuss-en] [.AMAZON] LACRALO about .AMAZON
>>> delegation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Harold
>>>
>>> I am not in agreement that any ALS's endorsement alone is sufficient for
>>> the statement to be endorsed as a LACRALO statement. If this is to be a
>>> LACRALO statement, should it not follow our procedures and be put on the
>>> wiki for amendments and comments and then voted upon by the membership?
>>>
>>> I think that the current process doesn't suffice to say that it is a
>>> LACRALO statement.
>>>
>>> However, I have no problem with it being put forward as a "Joint
>>> Statement of  ALSes of the LAC region (as shown by the undersigned)"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jacqueline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019, 4:51 PM Harold Arcos, <harold.arcos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Region
>>>
>>> In this way, we share the ICANN Board Letter and the LACRALO Declaration
>>> initiatives that together represent the arguments and positions of several
>>> organizations on the Delegation of the Geographic Domain Name .AMAZON.
>>>
>>> We invite you to review it and, if you consider it, to endorse with your
>>> signatures no later than Thursday 4 April at 23-UTC.
>>>
>>> The document in .PDF version will find them with the name *Position
>>> LACRALO on Delegation .AMAZON:*
>>> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=102138233
>>>
>>> For quick review and download on any device, versions in .PDF format are
>>> also attached to this email
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Sergio Salinas - LACRALO President       Harold Arcos - LACRALO Secretary
>>>
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