[lac-discuss-en] [ALAC] IO recommends .amazon reconsideration

[Ricardo Holmquist]

Evan,
sure, it is mind blocking when there are not all participants included, and
also I'm aware, you are bringing in this solution as an out of the box one,
as Alejandro says.

In the other hand, it might work, with great effort from the civil society,
(since there are great cultural differences among all our countries), but
then, the actual political situation of the countries is the worst in the
last... (I really don't know when all this nine countries have a good
relationship since Columbus discovery!). Will all of them agree to create a
entity (preferable a multistakeholder one) to handle this .amazonas?

Really don't know how to solve the .amazon issue, and I understand out of
the box solutions, will surely fit.

best

Ricardo Holmquist

2017-07-21 19:16 GMT-05:00 Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch at gmail.com>:

> I think we're getting caught up on the details, not the general concept. I
> apologize for not being sufficiently inclusive, but do not wish that error
> to obscure the broader point.
>
> If the original email had said nine countries instead of five, how would
> your response have changed? What are the substantive objections?
>
> (And please note that I'm not advancing this as a perfect answer... just
> suggesting it as a middle ground that both sides find somewhat sub-optimal,
> but less painful than ongoing  expensive battles.)
>
> -Evan
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 17:19, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I do not share the solution given, but further than that, it contains
>> geographical mistakes, my country is not being included in the list of the
>> five countries, because this person is supposing it only has to do with the
>> river, and for us is also the forest, where we have about 25% of our
>> territory. The State where the Amazon jungle is located is called Amazonas,
>> and is not being included in the 3 countries with territories called
>> Amazonas.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Ricardo Holmquist
>> ISOC Venezuela
>>
>>
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Libre
>> de virus. www.avast.com
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>
>> <#m_6266614077816008559_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>> 2017-07-21 15:28 GMT-05:00 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>:
>>
>>> I read on a Facebook group, from Barry Shein, an imaginative and IMO
>>> effective resolution to the .amazon issue. I offer it here with some
>>> personal suggestions added regarding to 'what comes next':
>>>
>>> Amazon pays for the creation of the ".amazonas" TLD, and entrusts it to
>>> a nonprofit whose stakeholders are exclusively from the five countries  (Brazil,
>>> Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia) through which the river runs. Such
>>> stakeholders could be government, NGO or private. In return, the GAC
>>> rescinds its objection to .amazon.
>>>
>>> (Alternatively, dot-amazonas could be entrusted to the three regional
>>> governments -- in Peru, Colombia and Brazil -- that are named "Amazonas".)
>>>
>>> After all, "Amazonas" is the local name for the river in both Spanish
>>> and Portuguese. Since elsewhere governments are turning to local names
>>> rather than anglicized ones -- think Beijing, Iqaluit or Bengaluru --
>>> wouldn't this be a Good Thing and a reasonable answer to both the
>>> governments and the bookstore?
>>>
>>> Such an offer would dull most of the logical objection to the
>>> bookstore's desire for the name, while calling on the affected countries to
>>> actually indicate what they would do with an appropriate TLD, or at least
>>> to reserve it for future use.
>>>
>>> Would such a compromise be workable? Or would it cause a problem by
>>> putting the current objectors on the spot regarding what they would do with
>>> the TLD themselves?
>>>
>>> (Perhaps this re-opens a wider problem with geoTLD names, wondering if
>>> every possible linguistic name for countries and regions are deserving of
>>> protection. I mean, do we need to protect "Schweiz", "Suisse", "Svizzera",
>>> "Svizra", "Helvetia" AND "Switzerland"?)
>>>
>>> - Evan
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________ _________________
>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list
>>> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
>>>
>>>
>>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/attachments/20170721/73d678da/attachment-0001.html>