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Wed Sep 16 14:10:39 UTC 2015

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 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

 Carlos, and we responded that we are working with the Legal Department and ICANN Staff. At present there is already a proposal that is being translated and will be broadcast to the list. 

 It is not a simple issue, there is no precedent, but its resolution whether it will be precedent for similar situations in LACRALO. 

 We are always willing to discuss everything that is necessary. 

 Best regards 

 Alberto Soto 

 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of carlosaguirre62 
 Posted on: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:24 a.m.
 To: Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia at internauta.org.ar> ; Spanish LACRALO <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] The numbers are simply wrong. 

 Dear All. 

 When the differences are so manifest, the solution can only be submitted to a third party resolves the dispute. 

 Besides being so serious the matter of the complaint from the institutional, healthy and good would submit it to arbitration for a response that demonstrates in time. 

 The allegations by X Mail only serve to fill boxes and exhaust all without resolving anything. 

 If this ends in anything questions and doubts remain on the air. 

 Therefore, again, it would be good to conclude definitively and not by the simple passage of time. 

 The region and the institutions require and demand. 

 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre 

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 From: Sergio Salinas Porto 

 Date: 16/09/2015 7:23 a.m. (GMT-05: 00) 

 To: LACRALO Spanish 

 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] The numbers are simply wrong. 

 Dear Carlton and all other see I am confused by this. 
 You are saying that the people demonstrating in abstention, did not go to vote? 

 As you do to deny the facts on positive action? 

 Voting is a positive action, a person had to enter the system, choose one of the options and manifest. 

 Quite another thing not perform any action and not go to vote. That's actually a true &quot;Abstain&quot;. 

 I think you are confused, in LACRALO vote for &quot;yes&quot; to any candidate and called the white vote (&quot;I do not like&quot; or &quot;do not choose certain candidates&quot;) and &quot;Abstain&quot;.

 I think the problem you see is a semantic problem. 

 I know you have a good memory. 
 When in 2009 occurred electoral problems in LACRALO a group of ALS we demonstrate an &quot;abstention&quot; that abstention did not go to the polls (in that case was the choice of the first term Dev), that he fell to mature than To vote generated quorum and voting was as blank. We wanted to express their discontent. This time the same thing happened a group of ALS did not vote and expressed their abstention with a negative action (not go to the polls), others expressed their support to one of the two candidates (Positive Action) and others expressed no preference manifest in favor of any candidate (Positive Action) comove are different forms of manifestation, one is a &quot;no action&quot; and others a &quot;positive action&quot;. 

 I think it must review its position, you are trying once again lead to dark places of discussion that have nothing to do with what we have to do here. 


 Sergio Salinas Porto 
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 The September 14, 2015, 11:14 <carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com> &gt; He wrote: 

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 Subject: The numbers are simply wrong. 
 From: carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>

 So another farce of LACRALO elections were held. 

 If you believe in a democratic institution based on rules and 
 constitutional authority, the candidate declared the representative of 
 LACRALO to ALAC for the period 2015-2017 is as illegitimate as the 
 electoral process was marred and fraudulent. 

 Here's more evidence of incompetence and laziness. Those voting numbers are 
 reported they are simply wrong. Look for this be blamed on staff. 

 You really need not be a genius in discrete mathematics to be 
 immediately obvious that with only 14 ALS for affirmative vote 
 'Winner', which could not rise to 46% of the vote.It weighs the 
 percentage that counts, not any other fantasy figure straight out of some 
 febrile brain. 

 There are 20 countries represented in LACRALO. Each country has a cap of 5% 
 of the vote. 

 That 5% is considered the maximum rate. 

 5% of the votes are split equally by the ALS in each country. 

 The contribution of each voter is then proportional to the number of ALS 
 each country. 

 Take the case of Argentina. There are nine (9) accredited ALS. Each ALS can the 
 contribute and vote only 0.56% of that maximum percentage. 

 Take the case of Nicaragua. With only one (1) ALS, exercise IEEE Nicaragua 
 up to 5% on your own to Nicaragua. 

 LACRALO has forty-seven (47) ALS.Only 30 ALS participated in the mock 
 a choice; BigPulse Arcos recorded 14 votes for, 8 votes in favor and 8 Rojas 

 An abstention is counted as a &quot;no&quot; under the rules. 

 Seventeen (17) ELA were accredited and do not vote. These could very 
 and classified 'choice did not recognize shit'. 

 Show  https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=5014vdFeWMZF7tDJbzr4zuiD 

 The real numbers are as follows: 

 I did not vote - 37.87% 
 Arcos - 27.67% 
 Refrain / n - 19.04% 
 Rojas - 15.42% 

 There is 100% of its voting stock represented! 

 LACRALO has no rule on the legitimacy or thresholds 
 runoff. But this I know for sure.The &quot;winner&quot; does not and can not 
 represent the interests of Internet users in the ALAC Jamaica. Not in a 
 fraudulent vote. 

 The spreadsheet will be sent to staff. So the connection is made with 
 the precedent of authority, which will also include the spreadsheet used to 
 quantify the vote in 2008 that was originally developed by Nick 

 Ritz-Carlton Samuels 

 Carlton A Samuels 
 Cell: 876-818-1799 
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