[lac-discuss-en] The Numbers are Plain Wrong.

[Jacqueline Morris]

Hi Alberto
I would like to insert some factual historical information into this
discussion.

The concern when developing the RoP was to ensure that a minority of the
organisation could not  agree to motions without a majority present and
voting. Hence, the rule for a virtual assembly is that every ALS is
considered to be present as each is issued voting credentials. And so a
motion cannot be carried on a minority voting on a motion if the majority
abstains or don't vote.

I don't know when the change was made, but it is counter to the established
and documented process. I believe if such a fundamental change were to be
made to the established voting process, it should have been discussed and
voted upon by the membership. It may be that the Big Pulse system was
wrongly programmed to calculate, but it certainly should have been double
checked!

Sincerely


Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )


On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:

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>  Subject: The Numbers are Plain Wrong.
>  From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
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>  Lord Samuels, a continuation transcribe Rule 12.2 of the Common Rules
>  LACRALO Procedure: In accordance with the provisions of the
>  Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be by a majority of decidirn
>  Large Structures present and voting; for the purposes of these Rules,
>  the expression Large Structures present vote will refer the
>  Large Structures casting an affirmative or negative vote. At
>  Large Structures refrain from voting if they considerarcomo
>  they would not have voted.
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>  In English: 12.2 Subject to the Provisions of Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions
>  Shall be taken by a majority of the At Large Structures present and
> voting;
>  for the purpose of the present Rules, the expression &quot;At Large
> Structures
>  present and voting &quot;shall mean At Large Structures casting an
> affirmative or
>  negative vote.At Large Structures abstaining from voting Shall Be Regarded
>  Having Voted as not.
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>  As see, you have to count the number of ALS present, it is,
>  they have cast their vote, whatever its option. We understand that
>  Large structures who voted for the abstention option, have issued
>  one vote, which even can be considered negative. Positive votes are
>  those who go sb candidate.
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>  The rule saying abstaining, we understand that concern
>  Scope those structures that have not No single act. In
>  simple terms did not vote for any option.
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>  The Big Push system is automatic, no intervention of any person.
>  The percentage taken are correct.
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>  Years ago that the system works the same way, and has never been
>  observed or rejected.
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>  Made the clarification, I ask again please not to issue
>  grievances and insults on the list.
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>  If you observe or perform a critical, please, just doing hgalo
>  s reference to the fact in citing the article and reference standard.
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>  Cheers
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>  Alberto Soto
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