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asoto at ibero-americano.org
asoto at ibero-americano.org
Sun Aug 19 16:47:31 UTC 2012
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From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
Thanks Roosvelt
Alberto
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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of
rok at bango.org.bb
Posted on: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:36 pm
To lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3F_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q =
3F_Confusi? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? = F3n_ = 3D_F3n = 5F-= 5FClarF3n = 5Fde = 5Fla
= 3F_ 5FRegi_ = 3D =? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3D_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q =
3F_Ificaci_ = 3D_F3n 3F_ = 3D =? =
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3F_ = 3D =? =
From: rok at bango.org.bb
Sorry Alberto, I have not written anything offensive. Therefore, it must be
translation. Again, I did not write anything offensive.
South Korea
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From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:29
A: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3F_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q
=
3F_Confusi? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? = F3n_ = 3D_F3n = 5F-= 5FClarF3n = 5Fde =
5Fla
= 3F_ 5FRegi_ = 3D =? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3D_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q =
3F_Ificaci_ = 3D_F3n 3F_ = 3D =? =
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Iso-8859-1? Q? = F3n_ = 3D_F3n = 5F-= 5FClarF3n = 5Fde = 5FRegi_ = 3D 5Fla
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= 3F_? Iso ==-8859-1? q? = 3D = 3D_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q = 3F_Ificaci_ = 3D_F3n
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From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
Please can someone translate inglsa Rok, to stop
no offense?
Rok, can reduce your feedback please speechless
offensive? Do not know the right way, without offending? If you do not know
do not deberhacer ...
Alberto Soto
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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of
rok at bango.org.bb
Posted on: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 a.m.
To lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org ~ ~ V
Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? ==
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From: rok at bango.org.bb
Jose,
I have problems in translation, but from what I understand that means,
this is my answer:
You did make a decision that is not really yours. Incapable
determine that a candidate does not meet the requirements when
ample evidence in the rules indicates that the applicant meets the
requirements. A decisin decisin is in one way or another. Is a
cuestin of
tratde opininy to impose their point of view. If one rules Quera
President of implementation of the decisions that have been written in the
same
explaining how the administrative function of the discharge. If a
estahno rule can not be assumed that this can be done
function.
The rules are very clear and can not be attributed to a role smismo
this is
hay.Hay not a reason to quel the president has no executive power
estclaro role and the rules that the reason for this is not like,
this is
action because the rules for all members to participate in the
take
making. This is very consistent with the spirit of the reglas.Ques
inconsistent with the rules is that a person can not make a
decision
in
names of all members of LACRALO and therefore, in the absence of
to make such provisions especficas decisin, you exceed your
limits, if you do. In the so-called right Accin "Vires
Ultra ".
How can it be a mistake to let the members decide?Do you
saying
that
members are not competent to make this decision? Or are you afraid of
that
more Humberto decided to comply with the requirement, which is what
you do not want? No more trust to make the decision
correct?
Now this is a problem. You are not "president". You
is chairman. Use
word president is misleading and can not assume that because you
are the President for the entire executive branch. His role as
President writes to the operating principles of LACRALO
Paragraph 4:
"Its functions include, among other things, establish a link
between
ALAC discussions and contributions from the region, representing
The ALAC region in face to face meetings and discussions main
Assembly held through discussion lists, teleconferences and
face to face
meetings. '
No decision here, except in meetings of presidents. Although
its role as
emissary allows no decision or declare any LACRALO
positions that were not approved by the members of LACRALO. It seems
clear
to me that the rules are written in this way, since LACRALO
based on the total
participation, which is a fundamental aspect of democracy.Also
mean
ICANN and LACRALO not want any decision of a single man. It
established
width inputs. This is consistent with the form in
ICANN operates (looking
the contributions of users) and, obviously, was established LACRALO
this
spirit. According to the rules, this is not a demonstration of a
men.
It is a
collective operation. Let us therefore respect the rules and not
mock the
rules to do what a man wants to be.
To use the preferred term, there is no "electrical"
\\ U200b \\ u200ben's hands
President, all the power is in the hands of the members
collectively.The
rules are very clear on this point.As'm not a member LACRALO
sit and let you make a record that goes against the spirit
of
ICANN LACRALO or that have been created with the specific purpose of gathering
user feedback to influence policy
ICANN.
Let me say here that the Secretariat has all the power
executive
given powers and this is limited to the administration, while the
President
no executive powers whatsoever. Once again the role of
is the organization
reason for this, because even the Secretariat can not take such a decision.
I
therefore suggest that you familiarize yourself with the rules of
avoid repeating such debacle.También suggest that
members
made the rules were not hallucinating or drunk in the
time
knew exactly what they were doing and they wrote exactly
how
Manage.The organization wanted "power" of LACRALO
is in the
Assembly and specifies what constitutes the Assembly.
South Korea
----- Original Message -----
From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:59
A: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion =
F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? Iso == -8859 to 1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? =
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Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? =
From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
Dear,
Just to clarify the situation so far seems confused about
of
of
the issue of implementation of ALAC, briefly the situation
raised.
1) Most of you have spoken out against what
The president's decision drew. I have that first error. Never
decisin take some text and copy the last paragraph of my post
e, where
You see, just say the word THINK. All that is
alles correct derivatives. Presidency has made no decision.
* ... The Presidency considers that Carrasco Sr.Humberto
residency requirements to be considered a candidate
vlido within the electoral process, which is open to cover
LACRALO representative office to ALAC * ...
2) It is a mistake to go to a match or not votacin decisin
does not exist and never existed. This president does not expressly
against which the region is expressed and to make the decision.: What
will not
and allow opondr me, voting is based on incorrect assumptions
and
Against decisions that did not exist.
3) Not having clear rules brings disadvantages. The powers of the
estn presidency within a frame within a valid assembly. No
ALUSIN there any permisin to make a decision of that kind,
but there is no explicit denial thereof.
With these points covering cuestin aqusolo wanted to clarify, and
Monday tendroportunidad day to answer questions
want.Once again, the president never had a decisin nor opposed the
votacin.Asimismo consult with legal staff of ICANN, and
talk to everyone who should speak cuestin also expressed in my
email.
I ask all who read the email again and if
doubt consult
close range.
With this aclaracin, hopefully clarification on Monday and fix everything.
Regards
JosArce
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