[LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO

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Tue Oct 7 08:36:51 EDT 2008


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Es interesante que Jackelin, que asiste a todos los lugares donde hay ricos debates y se 
puede estar luchando por mayor intervención de los usuarios de Internet en las 
definiciones de ICANN, se preocupe por temas tan trascendentes en la vida de los que 
debatimos temas de Internet.
Lamento haberme perdido sus intervenciones en cada una de los temas que puso en la lista y 
saber que decía en nombre de los usuarios de Latinoamérica y el caribe o como chair de 
ALAC.
Quizás hubiese sido una interesante experiencia tener mayores y mejores intervenciones 
suyas en la lista.
Para finalizar, seguir hablando de VIAJES y no de participación  me deja en claro de que 
lado esta a la hora de defender la participación de usuarios de Internet y que lugar deben 
ocupar a la hora de definir políticas de comunicaciones globales.
Saludos cordiales
Sergio

ENGLISH

That's interesting! Jackeline, who attends all places where there are good debates and 
could be fighting for more involvement of Internet users in the definitions of ICANN, now 
she is worry about issues such transcendent in the lives of those who are debating issues 
of Internet .
I regret having lost her interventions in each of the items she put on the list and know 
what she said on behalf of users in Latin America and the Caribbean, as a chair of ALAC.
Perhaps it would have been an interesting experience to have her bigger and best 
interventions into the list.
Finally, keep talking about TRAVEL and not about PARTICIPATION,  make me clear that it is 
time to defend the participation of Internet users and what place they should take when 
will the time to define policies for global communications.
Best regards
Sergio

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
To: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>
Cc: "'At-Large Staff'" <staff at atlarge.icann.org>; <lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; 
"'ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org'" <alac-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO


It's interesting.
LACRALO hasn't had any discussion on the list about any of the issues
put to the ALAC for comments, such as
Fast Flux
RAA Amendments
Registrar transfer activities and redemption grace period
GNSO Improvements
IDN Fast track for ccTLDs
IPv6
Domain name front running
Geographic regions
DNSSEC and the DNS poisoning patch

But we did have a lot of discussion about the travel cutbacks and the
election.
What does that say about LACRALO's interest and priorities?

Jacqueline
Carlton Samuels wrote:
> No, I STRONGLY disagree and is unalterably opposed to re-run the elections.
>
> The requirements for the election process were well advertised. The
> candidates fulfilled all the requirements. Two candidates were duly
> nominated. One candidate withdrew BEFORE the election.  That was his
> unfettered right.  Where I come from, the last man standing is elected and
> returned.
>
> Alfa Redi exercised a right under the rules to call for a division.  I
> personally believe that this position is not useful, especially in a
> voluntary organization.  But I will defend to the end Alfa Redi's right to
> invoke the rules and take it my DUTY to protect that right.
> We shall have a vote.   Enough already!
>
> Version Espanol:
>
> No, estoy firmemente en desacuerdo y es inalterable frente a volver a
> ejecutar las elecciones.
>
> Los requisitos para el proceso electoral se anuncian así. Los candidatos
> cumplen todos los requisitos. Dos candidatos fueron debidamente designados.
> Uno de los candidatos se retira antes de las elecciones. Ese era su derecho
> irrestricto. De donde yo vengo, el último hombre de pie es elegido y
> regresó.
>
> Alfa Redi ejercido un derecho en virtud de las normas de convocatoria de una
> división. Personalmente, creo que esta posición no es útil, especialmente en
> una organización voluntaria. Pero voy a defender hasta el final Alfa Redi
> del derecho a invocar las normas y tener a mi deber de proteger a ese
> derecho.
>
> Tendremos una votación. Basta ya!
>
> Carlton
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matías Altamira [mailto:matias at altamiragigena.com.ar] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 
> 2008 02:00 PM
> To: 'Erick Iriarte Ahon'; 'Carlton Samuels'; 'At-Large Staff';
> lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Cc: 'ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org'
> Subject: RE: [LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO
>
> Entonces vamos a votar por Carlos D. Aguirre y Sergio Salinas Porto, que
> fueron los únicos candidatos que se presentaron en tiempo y forma.
>
> So we'll vote between Carlos D. Aguirre and Sergio Salinas Porto, the two
> candidates that were duly and timely proposed.
> Matías
>
> IIISI Rep.
>
> Matías Altamira
> Abogado
> ALTAMIRA GIGENA - Estudio Jurídico
> Bv. San Juan 101 Piso 2° Of. "A" - Córdoba - Argentina
> Tel/Fax: + 54 351 422-2057/ 428-1624
> matias at altamiragigena.com.ar
> www.altamiragigena.com.ar
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Erick
> Iriarte Ahon
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 01 de Octubre de 2008 12:14 p.m.
> Para: Carlton Samuels; 'At-Large Staff'; lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> CC: 'ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org'
> Asunto: Re: [LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO
>
> My answer is yes.
>
> Erick
>
>
> At 07:47 p.m. 30/09/2008, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>
>> Dear Erick:
>>
>> The Secretariat is inclined to accept the recommendation of staff in this matter. 
>> Please say unequivocally whether you are requesting a vote as outlined in LACRALO Rule 
>> 18.1.
>>
>>
>>
>> Assuming you answer yes, the Secretariat request that the mechanisms for an electronic 
>> vote be engaged within 48 hours of your confirmation and the voting period shall be 
>> seven days duration after expiry of that 48-hour setup time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Version Espanol:
>>
>> Estimado Erick:
>> La Secretaría está dispuesta a aceptar la recomendación del personal en este asunto. 
>> Por favor, decir de manera inequívoca si usted está solicitando una votación como se 
>> indica en el Artículo 18.1 LacRALO.
>>
>> Suponiendo que responder afirmativamente, la Secretaría solicitud de que los mecanismos 
>> para una votación electrónica se dedican dentro de las 48 horas de su confirmación y el 
>> período de votación será de siete días de duración después de la expiración de ese 
>> 48-horas tiempo de
>>
> instalación.
>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Carlton
>>
>>
>>
>> From: At-Large Staff [mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 01:31 AM
>> To: Carlton Samuels
>> Cc: carlos aguirre; José Ovidio Salgueiro A.; Atlarge Staff; 
>> ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Vanda Scartezini UOL
>> Subject: Elections Process in LACRALO
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Carlton:
>> cc: ALAC Representatives in the LAC Region, ALAC Executive Committee
>>
>> As you are aware, the nominations process in LACRALO has resulted in a single candidate 
>> who has been nominated, that being the incumbent, Carlos Aguirre.
>>
>> Since one ALS has requested that a vote be held on that single candidate, I began a 
>> research today to review the various instruments related to LACRALO ­ MoU with ICANN, 
>> Rules of Procedure, and Operating Principles ­ to determine what if any provision of 
>> these requires a vote, irrespective of the number of candidatures, or, if no vote is 
>> obligated, if the Rules of Procedure allowed any ALS representative to
>>
> request a vote.
>
>> There are no related provisions in the MoU or the Operating Principles.
>> However, there are with respect to the Rules of Procedure.
>>
>> Rule 18.1 allows any Member of LACRALO to invoke rules from the UNGA Rules of 
>> Procedure, with a few exceptions.
>>
>> Rule 127 of the UNGA Rules provides that:
>>
>> (a) The General Assembly shall normally vote by show of hands or by standing, but any 
>> representative may request a roll-call. The roll-call shall be taken in the English 
>> alphabetical order of the names of the members, beginning with the member whose name is 
>> drawn by lot by the:
>> President. The name of each member shall be called in any roll-call, and one of its 
>> representatives shall reply “yes”, “no” or “abstention”. The result of the voting shall 
>> be inserted in the record in the English alphabetical order of the names of the 
>> members.
>>
>> (b) When the General Assembly votes by mechanical means, a non-recorded vote shall 
>> replace a vote by show of hands or by standing and a recorded vote shall replace a 
>> roll-call vote. Any representative may request a recorded vote. In the case of a 
>> recorded vote, the General Assembly shall, unless a representative requests otherwise, 
>> dispense with the procedure of calling out the names of the members; nevertheless, the 
>> result of the voting shall be inserted in the record in
>>
> the same manner as that of a roll-call vote.
>
>> Version Espanol:
>>
>> a) De ordinario, las votaciones de la Asamblea General se harán levantando la mano o 
>> poniéndose de pie, pero cualquier representante podrá pedir votación nominal. La 
>> votación nominal se efectuará siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de los nombres de 
>> los miembros, comenzando por el miembro cuyo nombre sea sacado a suerte por el 
>> Presidente. En las votaciones nominales, se anunciará el nombre de cada uno de los 
>> miembros y uno de sus representantes contestará “sí”, “no” o “abstención”. El resultado 
>> de la votación se consignará en el acta siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de los 
>> nombres de los miembros.
>>
>> b) Cuando la Asamblea General efectúe votaciones haciendo uso del sistema mecánico, la 
>> votación no registrada sustituirá a la que se hace levantando la mano o poniéndose de 
>> pie y la votación registrada sustituirá a la votación nominal. Cualquier representante 
>> podrá pedir
>>
> votación registrada.
>
>> En las votaciones registradas, la Asamblea General prescindirá del procedimiento de 
>> anunciar los nombres de los miembros, salvo que un representante lo pida; no obstante, 
>> el resultado de la votación se consignará en el acta de la misma manera que en las 
>> votaciones nominales.
>>
>> In the view of the Staff, it would be a reasonable interpretation of Alfa-Redi’s email 
>> that the Member wishes to invoke this Rule. However, clearly the Staff cannot oblige 
>> the LACRALO Secretariat to interpret the email in this way.
>>
>> Further, since we are operating virtually, were a vote to be called, it would be held 
>> as provided in Rule 20, which modified the operation of  Rule
>> 12.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules of Procedure, and is as follows:
>>
>> 20: When a Virtual Meeting of the Assembly is held, the following Rules shall replace 
>> the original:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> 12.4 All Voting shall be conducted electronically. The Chair shall declare the length 
>> of time during which votes shall be cast, and the date and time of the closing of the 
>> vote. The Secretariat shall ensure that the results of the vote, including the votes 
>> cast and by which voter, are available to all representatives.
>>
>> Version Espanol:
>>
>> 20 Cuando se celebre una Reunión Virtual de la Asamblea, las siguientes reglas 
>> sustituirán a los originales:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> 12.4 Todas las votaciones se realizan electrónicamente. El Presidente declarará el 
>> tiempo durante el cual se deberán emitir los votos, así como la fecha y la hora en que 
>> finalizará la votación. El Secretario se encargará de que los resultados de la 
>> votación - incluyendo los votos y de quién es el voto - estén a disposición de todos 
>> los representantes.
>>
>>
>> The primacy of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules in the case of any conflict with the UNGA 
>> Rules is as provided in Rule 18.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules, which state:
>>
>> Where the UNGA Rules of Procedure are invoked through the provisions of Rule
>> 18.1 or 18.2, should a conflict arise between the rule or rules invoked and these 
>> rules, these Rules shall take precedence, except where the combination of these Rules 
>> and those invoked would result in an impractical or unworkable process in the judgment 
>> of the Chair.
>>
>> Version Espanol:
>>
>> Si al recurrir al Reglamento de Procedimientos de la UNGA por medio de la Regla 18.1 o 
>> 18.2, surgiese un conflicto entre las reglas a las que se recurre y este Reglamento, 
>> este Reglamento prevalecerá, excepto cuando la combinación de este Reglamento y las 
>> reglas a las que se recurre den como resultado un proceso inoperante y poco práctico a 
>> juicio
>>
> del Presidente.
>
>> Taking all this into account, the Staff of ICANN recommends as follows:
>>
>> 1) That the Secretariat ask Erick if he is requesting a vote as provided in UNGA Rule 
>> 127 as provided under the LACRALO Ordinary Rules of Procedure in Rule 18.1 as a point 
>> of order.  We further suggest that the background provided in this email is given to 
>> Erick so that he can evaluate whether or not the outcome provided by the invocation of 
>> these Rules is what his organisation intends.
>>
>> If the answer is ‘Yes’, the we would further suggest that:
>>
>> 2) The Secretariat shall announce that an electronic vote will take place as soon as it 
>> is possible for the Staff to set the vote up, announce the time and date when voting 
>> shall be open, and distribute the list of authorised voters at the same time in case 
>> there are any amendments which members of LACRALO have forgotten to notify the 
>> Secretariat of.  We would suggest  the voting period shall be 7 days, commencing on the 
>> date and the time at which the vote is opened.
>>
>> It may be useful to note that as provided in the UNGA Rules of Procedure, as well as 
>> good practice and custom, any discussion of the vote or the candidates is out of order 
>> from the moment that the voting begins. The only exceptions is for points of order to 
>> be raised to understand the voting procedures. Voting is generally accepted as 
>> beginning from the moment a vote is called, not the moment that voting actually begins, 
>> and only completes at the point at which a vote has closed. Further, comments about a 
>> vote after a vote is concluded are generally restricted to brief comments to explain 
>> why a given member voted
>>
> in one way or another.
>
>> Finally, Carlos, I would imagine that you (and probably others) may prefer the more 
>> logical outcome of being automatically returned for a second term, however, I hope that 
>> you will agree that it is better for everyone to feel that the Rules of Procedure are 
>> followed completely, to avoid any question as to the legitimacy of your election.
>>
>> The UNGA Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
>> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure
>> The LACRALO Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
>> https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi?ralo_organising_documents
>>
>> We are at the service of all of you in these regards.
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff
>> email: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>>
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