[LAC-Discuss] [ALAC-ExCom] Elections Process in LACRALO

Wed Oct 1 15:47:53 EDT 2008

Dear all :

IMO we should promote another consulting round in order to estimulate a broader scope.

I think this shall be more democratic.

Vanda

via web mail

> Carlton and LACRALO:
> 
> We shall set up the vote tomorrow, with voting set to open 48 hours from
> 1700 CEDT (the time at which Erick´s email was received). In other words,
> the vote would open at 1700 CEDT on 3 October, and close at 1700 CEDT 10th
> October 2008.
> 
> With respect to the question to be put, may we suggest:
> 
> "Shall Carlos Aguirre be re-elected as a Member of the At-Large Advisory
> Committee with a term to commence at the conclusion of the ICANN Annual
> General Meeting for 2008, and expiring at the conclusion of the ICANN AGM in
> 2010?
> 
> With responses as follows:
> 
> Yes
> No
> Abstain
> 
> If you wish a different question to be put, please do let us know before the
> opening of the balloting.
> 
> We will ensure that the ballot is available in English and Spanish.
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2008 17:13, "Erick Iriarte Ahon" wrote:
> 
> > My answer is yes.
> > 
> > Erick
> > 
> > 
> > At 07:47 p.m. 30/09/2008, Carlton Samuels wrote:
> >> >Dear Erick:
> >> >
> >> >The Secretariat is inclined to accept the recommendation of staff in this
> >> >matter. Please say unequivocally whether you are requesting a vote as
> >> >outlined in LACRALO Rule 18.1.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Assuming you answer yes, the Secretariat request that the mechanisms for an
> >> >electronic vote be engaged within 48 hours of your confirmation and the
> >> >voting period shall be seven days duration after expiry of that 48-hour
> >> >setup time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Version Espanol:
> >> >
> >> >Estimado Erick:
> >> >La Secretaría está dispuesta a aceptar la recomendación del personal en este
> >> >asunto. Por favor, decir de manera inequívoca si usted está solicitando una
> >> >votación como se indica en el Artículo 18.1 LacRALO.
> >> >
> >> >Suponiendo que responder afirmativamente, la Secretaría solicitud de que los
> >> >mecanismos para una votación electrónica se dedican dentro de las 48 horas
> >> >de su confirmación y el período de votación será de siete días de duración
> >> >después de la expiración de ese 48-horas tiempo de instalación.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kind regards,
> >> >
> >> >Carlton
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >From: At-Large Staff [mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org]
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 01:31 AM
> >> >To: Carlton Samuels
> >> >Cc: carlos aguirre; José Ovidio Salgueiro A.; Atlarge Staff;
> >> >ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Vanda Scartezini UOL
> >> >Subject: Elections Process in LACRALO
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Dear Carlton:
> >> >cc: ALAC Representatives in the LAC Region, ALAC Executive Committee
> >> >
> >> >As you are aware, the nominations process in LACRALO has resulted in a
> >> >single candidate who has been nominated, that being the incumbent, Carlos
> >> >Aguirre.
> >> >
> >> >Since one ALS has requested that a vote be held on that single candidate, I
> >> >began a research today to review the various instruments related to LACRALO
> >> > MoU with ICANN, Rules of Procedure, and Operating Principles  to
> >> >determine what if any provision of these requires a vote, irrespective of
> >> >the number of candidatures, or, if no vote is obligated, if the Rules of
> >> >Procedure allowed any ALS representative to request a vote.
> >> >
> >> >There are no related provisions in the MoU or the Operating Principles.
> >> >However, there are with respect to the Rules of Procedure.
> >> >
> >> >Rule 18.1 allows any Member of LACRALO to invoke rules from the UNGA Rules
> >> >of Procedure, with a few exceptions.
> >> >
> >> >Rule 127 of the UNGA Rules provides that:
> >> >
> >> >(a) The General Assembly shall normally vote by show of hands or by
> >> >standing, but any representative may request a roll-call. The roll-call
> >> >shall be taken in the English alphabetical order of the names of the
> >> >members, beginning with the member whose name is drawn by lot by the:
> >> >President. The name of each member shall be called in any roll-call, and one
> >> >of its representatives shall reply "yes", "no" or "abstention". The result
> >> >of the voting shall be inserted in the record in the English alphabetical
> >> >order of the names of the members.
> >> >
> >> >(b) When the General Assembly votes by mechanical means, a non-recorded vote
> >> >shall replace a vote by show of hands or by standing and a recorded vote
> >> >shall replace a roll-call vote. Any representative may request a recorded
> >> >vote. In the case of a recorded vote, the General Assembly shall, unless a
> >> >representative requests otherwise, dispense with the procedure of calling
> >> >out the names of the members; nevertheless, the result of the voting shall
> >> >be inserted in the record in the same manner as that of a roll-call vote.
> >> >
> >> >Version Espanol:
> >> >
> >> >a) De ordinario, las votaciones de la Asamblea General se harán levantando
> >> >la mano o poniéndose de pie, pero cualquier representante podrá pedir
> >> >votación nominal. La votación nominal se efectuará siguiendo el orden
> >> >alfabético inglés de los nombres de los miembros, comenzando por el miembro
> >> >cuyo nombre sea sacado a suerte por el Presidente. En las votaciones
> >> >nominales, se anunciará el nombre de cada uno de los miembros y uno de sus
> >> >representantes contestará "sí", "no" o "abstención". El resultado de la
> >> >votación se consignará en el acta siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de
> >> >los nombres de los miembros.
> >> >
> >> >b) Cuando la Asamblea General efectúe votaciones haciendo uso del sistema
> >> >mecánico, la votación no registrada sustituirá a la que se hace levantando
> >> >la mano o poniéndose de pie y la votación registrada sustituirá a la
> >> >votación nominal. Cualquier representante podrá pedir votación registrada.
> >> >En las votaciones registradas, la Asamblea General prescindirá del
> >> >procedimiento de anunciar los nombres de los miembros, salvo que un
> >> >representante lo pida; no obstante, el resultado de la votación se
> >> >consignará en el acta de la misma manera que en las votaciones nominales.
> >> >
> >> >In the view of the Staff, it would be a reasonable interpretation of
> >> >Alfa-Redi´s email that the Member wishes to invoke this Rule. However,
> >> >clearly the Staff cannot oblige the LACRALO Secretariat to interpret the
> >> >email in this way.
> >> >
> >> >Further, since we are operating virtually, were a vote to be called, it
> >> >would be held as provided in Rule 20, which modified the operation of Rule
> >> >12.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules of Procedure, and is as follows:
> >> >
> >> >20: When a Virtual Meeting of the Assembly is held, the following Rules
> >> >shall replace the original:
> >> >
> >> >[...]
> >> >
> >> >12.4 All Voting shall be conducted electronically. The Chair shall declare
> >> >the length of time during which votes shall be cast, and the date and time
> >> >of the closing of the vote. The Secretariat shall ensure that the results of
> >> >the vote, including the votes cast and by which voter, are available to all
> >> >representatives.
> >> >
> >> >Version Espanol:
> >> >
> >> >20 Cuando se celebre una Reunión Virtual de la Asamblea, las siguientes
> >> >reglas sustituirán a los originales:
> >> >
> >> >[...]
> >> >
> >> >12.4 Todas las votaciones se realizan electrónicamente. El Presidente
> >> >declarará el tiempo durante el cual se deberán emitir los votos, así como la
> >> >fecha y la hora en que finalizará la votación. El Secretario se encargará de
> >> >que los resultados de la votación - incluyendo los votos y de quién es el
> >> >voto - estén a disposición de todos los representantes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The primacy of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules in the case of any conflict with
> >> >the UNGA Rules is as provided in Rule 18.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules,
> >> >which state:
> >> >
> >> >Where the UNGA Rules of Procedure are invoked through the provisions of Rule
> >> >18.1 or 18.2, should a conflict arise between the rule or rules invoked and
> >> >these rules, these Rules shall take precedence, except where the combination
> >> >of these Rules and those invoked would result in an impractical or
> >> >unworkable process in the judgment of the Chair.
> >> >
> >> >Version Espanol:
> >> >
> >> >Si al recurrir al Reglamento de Procedimientos de la UNGA por medio de la
> >> >Regla 18.1 o 18.2, surgiese un conflicto entre las reglas a las que se
> >> >recurre y este Reglamento, este Reglamento prevalecerá, excepto cuando la
> >> >combinación de este Reglamento y las reglas a las que se recurre den como
> >> >resultado un proceso inoperante y poco práctico a juicio del Presidente.
> >> >
> >> >Taking all this into account, the Staff of ICANN recommends as follows:
> >> >
> >> >1) That the Secretariat ask Erick if he is requesting a vote as provided in
> >> >UNGA Rule 127 as provided under the LACRALO Ordinary Rules of Procedure in
> >> >Rule 18.1 as a point of order. We further suggest that the background
> >> >provided in this email is given to Erick so that he can evaluate whether or
> >> >not the outcome provided by the invocation of these Rules is what his
> >> >organisation intends.
> >> >
> >> >If the answer is `Yes´, the we would further suggest that:
> >> >
> >> >2) The Secretariat shall announce that an electronic vote will take place as
> >> >soon as it is possible for the Staff to set the vote up, announce the time
> >> >and date when voting shall be open, and distribute the list of authorised
> >> >voters at the same time in case there are any amendments which members of
> >> >LACRALO have forgotten to notify the Secretariat of. We would suggest the
> >> >voting period shall be 7 days, commencing on the date and the time at which
> >> >the vote is opened.
> >> >
> >> >It may be useful to note that as provided in the UNGA Rules of Procedure, as
> >> >well as good practice and custom, any discussion of the vote or the
> >> >candidates is out of order from the moment that the voting begins. The only
> >> >exceptions is for points of order to be raised to understand the voting
> >> >procedures. Voting is generally accepted as beginning from the moment a vote
> >> >is called, not the moment that voting actually begins, and only completes at
> >> >the point at which a vote has closed. Further, comments about a vote after a
> >> >vote is concluded are generally restricted to brief comments to explain why
> >> >a given member voted in one way or another.
> >> >
> >> >Finally, Carlos, I would imagine that you (and probably others) may prefer
> >> >the more logical outcome of being automatically returned for a second term,
> >> >however, I hope that you will agree that it is better for everyone to feel
> >> >that the Rules of Procedure are followed completely, to avoid any question
> >> >as to the legitimacy of your election.
> >> >
> >> >The UNGA Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
> >> >https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure
> >> >The LACRALO Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
> >> >https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi?ralo_organising_documents
> >> >
> >> >We are at the service of all of you in these regards.
> >> >--
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul
> >> >ICANN At-Large Staff
> >> >email: staff at atlarge.icann.org
> >> >
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> >> >
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> >> >
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> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul
> ICANN At-Large Staff
> email: staff at atlarge.icann.org
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