[EURO-Discuss] Regional advice on France at Large applicationneeded

Tue Apr 29 08:22:40 EDT 2008

To take time in order to do a more in-depth analysis, seems to me to be a
wise approach.
My only suggestion is to make sure that this solution is agreed beforehand
with the applicant.
Cheers,
Roberto

> -----Original Message-----
> From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On 
> Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 01:26
> To: JFC Morfin; Discussion for At-Large Europe
> Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe; At-Large Staff; Cheryl 
> Langdon-Orr; Dr.Christoph Bruch; Veronica Cretu
> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Regional advice on France at Large 
> applicationneeded
> 
> Dear Jefsey,
> 
> as I mentioned before in (one of) my mails to Vittorio, I 
> don't want to make my opinion regarding your application to a 
> personal affair. As I mentioned before as well, there were 
> several people - mostly independent and unbiased - looking at 
> your application and showing up with almost the same 
> questions again. This is anything else but a conspiracy, 
> perhaps a surprising coincidence.
> 
> As it seems to me after today's discussion, we cannot come up 
> with an unanimous position from the EURALO board and 
> membership at the very moment and until April 30 (deadline of 
> the ALAC decision after consultation with the RALO 
> concerned). Therefore let me ask you the following questions 
> - what you partly suggested (if I understood it well) in your 
> response:
> 
> 1- Could you, given the fact that your application is 
> controversial, accept a prolongation of the ALAC approval 
> deadline by - let's say - two months or the end of the 32nd 
> ICANN Public Meeting in Paris? This would give us a chance to 
> sit together in Paris and to re-discuss all the open and 
> unclear questions and inconsistencies regarding your application.
> 
> 2- Could you, in the meantime, forward all supplementary 
> information needed to the ICANN staff in charge or the EURALO 
> board to better answer the existing questions and clarify 
> inconsistencies?
> 
> 3- Could we sort out controversial points regarding 
> France at Large's application, in the time frame mentioned, 
> before referring to other instances (such as Ombudsman or media)?
> 
> As you may know, the RALO concerned can only express its 
> opinion and recommendation on an application and ALAC will 
> take the decision. Therefore it's on ALAC to decide on any 
> prolongation in this matter but I wanted to sort out the 
> options of a potential solution in the interest of the RALO concerned.
> 
> I would appreciate your answers to the questions I raised. Thanks and 
> 
> best regards,
> Wolf
> 
> 
>  JFC Morfin wrote Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:20:
> >:-)
> >Interesting.
> >
> >I sent the "application". It was not acknowledged. Ten days 
> later on I 
> >sent a mail back. And I was told that application was 
> received. I noted 
> >several times that I had no news. Nick mailed me he would 
> send a mail. 
> >But bever did. Then eventually Frederic called not being 
> interested in 
> >knowing me nor our history and organisation but why we had 
> no budget, 
> >and having an urgent call. Then he called for a longer time, 
> but this 
> >nice fellow is still young in the organisation. Then he 
> wanted to call 
> >our execom people. But never did. Someone told him ICANN was 
> the e-UN 
> >of the future.
> >
> >Then I see today a form completed by Massimiliano. Who ever 
> >Massimiliano is, I do not know him (so many new people in 
> ICANN). The 
> >very first thing he should have done would be to forward the 
> document 
> >to me, so we could discuss all its errors. You may also 
> realise that as 
> >the eldest @large incorporated organisation, and as a pioneer of the 
> >Internet myself, I find this rather ...., ...., and hurting.
> >
> >Now, I have a question. Is ALAC real?
> >What do you want me to do to answer the questions you never raised ? 
> >Fly to Australia.
> >jfc
> >
> >PS. You right, I explained Frederic that this will only be a 
> case for 
> >Brother Fowley. BTW if some wants to be sure we exist, we can come a 
> >"few" of us at the Paris meeting, but then you have to 
> select a larger 
> >room. For the time being I do not copy this on the mailing 
> list not to 
> >upset our Members. But I said that I needed an answer under 3 months 
> >since I applied, because I told them in February we would.
> >
> >
> >
> >At 20:07 28/04/2008, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >
> >>Wolf Ludwig ha scritto:
> >> >> In any case, in the application that was circulated to 
> the EURALO 
> >> >> list on March 5 I really see no grounds for rejection. If there 
> >> >> are other documents, please forward them to the list.
> >> >
> >> > Attached please find the DD form dated March 27 which 
> was the basis 
> >> > of our discussions and considerations of the given case.
> >>
> >>Ok, so we have an interesting case in which the staff's due 
> diligence 
> >>claims things that are opposite to what the applicant says. 
> From this 
> >>due diligence form I see one fundamental question: are the 
> 17 members 
> >>real and active, or not? (since, according to the due 
> diligence, there 
> >>is no membership list and no mailing list, and the Web page 
> seems to 
> >>have been created just recently)
> >>
> >>I see also a point about the secretariat being the only managing 
> >>entity, but that's normal as long as the secretariat is elective 
> >>(acting like a Board). It's not normal if the secretariat is not 
> >>elected by the members. So what's the case?
> >>
> >>Ciao,
> >>--
> >>vb.                   Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu  
>  <--------
> >>-------->  finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ 
>  <--------
> >>
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