[At-Large] DomainIncite : Is this why WhatsApp hates some TLDs but not others?

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Karl,

your view against "stakeholderism" was obsoleted by events in 1997 in this
space, and in society about 5,000 years ago and probably much earlier, as
soon as humans started to organize beyond instinctive herd behavior i.e.
using what some would call uniquely human brain functions such as
abstraction and language. Can we have an update? or just leave them be, and
allow the community to concentrate on the issue at hand, which is the use
of updated and authoritative lists of centrally coordinated Internet
identifiers?

Evan, to quickly extract a soundbite from your statement on sewage, water,
and electricity, I love the idea! Municipal DNS is the way to go! Let's
explore whether this brilliant, radical, new idea doesn't find hurdles in
scalability, innovation, participation, and the fact that the object itself
is still being built by many of the same who are its users. Surely there
are no significant differences!

Alejandro Pisanty

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 1:54 PM Karl Auerbach via At-Large <
at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

>
> On 9/14/23 7:58 AM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large wrote:
>
> This credibility challenge can only be addressed by a radical rethink of
> ALAC, and changes that go far beyond those of the third-party reviews held
> to date. These changes keep in mind that the general public attitudes
> towards ICANN are close to those regarding other kinds of public
> infrastructure. In other words, most people just don't care until something
> breaks.
>
> (Funny how other forms of public infrastructure such as sewage,
> electricity generation, air-travel coordination and roads don't see any
> calls to be improved through multi-stakeholder governance.)
>
> I'll try to refrain from a pre-ICANN formation, 25+ year old "I told us
> so".  ;-)
>
> But perhaps I'll allude to a 14 year old one:
>
> See page 32-37 of the "Review of the At‐Large Advisory Committee - Final
> Report
> of the ALAC Review Working Group on ALAC Improvements"
>
> (I'll link to a copy on my website - I'm having trouble finding this
> rather expensive report on ICANN's own website. Perhaps my web search
> skills are taking the day off.)
>
> https://www.cavebear.com/docs/final-report-alac-review-28jan09-en.pdf
>
> And never bypassing a chance at self promotion, here's my general feeling
> about "stakeholder" models (summary: it's not a positive feeling.)
> Democracy Versus Stakeholderism
>
> https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/
>
>         --karl--
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