<div dir="ltr">Karl,<div><br></div><div>your view against "stakeholderism" was obsoleted by events in 1997 in this space, and in society about 5,000 years ago and probably much earlier, as soon as humans started to organize beyond instinctive herd behavior i.e. using what some would call uniquely human brain functions such as abstraction and language. Can we have an update? or just leave them be, and allow the community to concentrate on the issue at hand, which is the use of updated and authoritative lists of centrally coordinated Internet identifiers? </div><div><br></div><div>Evan, to quickly extract a soundbite from your statement on sewage, water, and electricity, I love the idea! Municipal DNS is the way to go! Let's explore whether this brilliant, radical, new idea doesn't find hurdles in scalability, innovation, participation, and the fact that the object itself is still being built by many of the same who are its users. Surely there are no significant differences! </div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 1:54 PM Karl Auerbach via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div>On 9/14/23 7:58 AM, Evan Leibovitch via
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<div dir="ltr">This credibility challenge can only be addressed by
a radical rethink of ALAC, and changes that go far beyond those
of the third-party reviews held to date. These changes keep in
mind that the general public attitudes towards ICANN are close
to those regarding other kinds of public infrastructure. In
other words, most people just don't care until something breaks.
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000">(Funny how
other forms of public infrastructure such as sewage,
electricity generation, air-travel coordination and
roads don't see any calls to be improved through
multi-stakeholder governance.)</font><br>
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I'll try to refrain from a pre-ICANN formation, 25+ year old "I told
us so". ;-)
<p>But perhaps I'll allude to a 14 year old one:<br>
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<p>See page 32-37 of the "Review of the At‐Large Advisory Committee
- Final Report<br>
of the ALAC Review Working Group on ALAC Improvements"</p>
<p>(I'll link to a copy on my website - I'm having trouble finding
this rather expensive report on ICANN's own website. Perhaps my
web search skills are taking the day off.)<br>
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<p><a href="https://www.cavebear.com/docs/final-report-alac-review-28jan09-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.cavebear.com/docs/final-report-alac-review-28jan09-en.pdf</a></p>
<p>And never bypassing a chance at self promotion, here's my general
feeling about "stakeholder" models (summary: it's not a positive
feeling.)<br>
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Democracy Versus Stakeholderism
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<p><a href="https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/" target="_blank">https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/</a></p>
<p> --karl--<br>
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