[ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Fri Sep 18 17:13:35 UTC 2020

Agreed. Although the value of our volunteer contributions is great, 
we need to remember a few other things.

- Perhaps not for us, but for many in ICANN, what is deemed to be 
"volunteer" time is really being paid for by employers as parts of 
their jobs. Not all, but a lot.
- Placing a value on what we generate is very difficult and is very 
mush in the eye of the beholder.
- We have NO idea what it costs ICANN to support us. Despite decades 
of us asking, that is still the case. So although we might be able to 
develop a value to the contribution we made based on people's time, 
it is only part of the equation.


At 2020-09-18 12:02 AM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:

>I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous 
>calculations,  in this context. If we had better metrics on 
>outreach,  it would help but that's the only place we are a possible 
>economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are 
>seen as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the 
>path we start down.
>Jonathan Zuck
>Executive Director
>Innovators Network Foundation
>From: ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Glenn 
>McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
>To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>Cc: ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
>Thanks  Maureen
>I have beating the drum for a  while that  ICANN should be proactive 
>in recognizing the value of the volunteer 
>contribution.    Perhaps  ICANN can commission a study as they did 
>in Canada  to demonstrate our value
>ie  "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to 
>economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the 
>economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits 
>of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked."   source
>Glenn McKnight, MA
>Virtual School of Internet Governance
>Chief Information Officer
>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard 
><<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi everyone
>I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and 
>wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to 
>matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending 
>towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to 
>address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and 
>our work with ICANN in general.
>I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had 
>an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of 
>his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload 
>issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should 
>look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is 
>being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own 
>cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the 
>intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the 
>benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
>Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected 
>to have such a high level of input into an important organisational 
>output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also 
>experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it 
>is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain 
>committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what 
>replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an 
>ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle 
>of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
>Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, 
>and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was 
>the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have 
>to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any 
>suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy 
>to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find 
>it. The discussion should be interesting.
>Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving 
>his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further 
>news on the Internet Grant.
>Comments welcome.
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