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Agreed. Although the value of our volunteer contributions is great, we
need to remember a few other things.<br><br>
- Perhaps not for us, but for many in ICANN, what is deemed to be
"volunteer" time is really being paid for by employers as parts
of their jobs. Not all, but a lot.<br>
- Placing a value on what we generate is very difficult and is very mush
in the eye of the beholder.<br>
- We have NO idea what it costs ICANN to support us. Despite decades of
us asking, that is still the case. So although we might be able to
develop a value to the contribution we made based on people's time, it is
only part of the equation.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 2020-09-18 12:02 AM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">I appreciate the sentiment but
these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had
better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place
we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most
instances, we are seen as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be
careful of the path we start down.<br><br>
Jonathan Zuck<br>
Executive Director<br>
Innovators Network Foundation<br>
<a href="http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org">www.InnovatorsNetwork.org</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September
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Thanks Maureen <br>
I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be
proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution.
Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in
Canada to demonstrate our value<br>
i<b><i>e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56
billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit
activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But
the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours
worked." source <br>
</i></b>
<a href="https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20Canada%20Conf%20Board%20Final%20Report%20EN.pdf">
https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20Canada%20Conf%20Board%20Final%20Report%20EN.pdf</a>
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<br><br>
<br><br>
Glenn McKnight, MA <br>
Virtual School of Internet Governance <br>
Chief Information Officer <br>
<a href="http://www.virtualsig.org">www.virtualsig.org</a> <br>
<b>YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION <br>
</b><br><br>
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard
<<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Hi everyone <br><br>
<dd>I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and
wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to
matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending
towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address
some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with
ICANN in general.<br><br>
<dd>I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an
opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his
normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that
were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they
might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very
active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time,
energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make
on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of
compensation. <br><br>
<dd>Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected
to have such a high level of input into an important organisational
output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing
with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their
daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level
of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward
for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around
the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?<br><br>
<dd>Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and
which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea
of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be
different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions
as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am
re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should
be interesting.<br><br>
<dd>Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving
his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on
the Internet Grant. <br><br>
<dd>Comments welcome.<br>
<dd>Maureen<br>
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