[ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.

Fri Sep 18 13:25:30 UTC 2020

Here is another US based study on the value of volunteerism
https://independentsector.org/value-of-volunteer-time-2020/

Here is their rationale

*Why Do We Calculate a Value of Volunteer Time?*

*We know putting numbers to volunteer hours will never do them justice, but
it is just one way for us to show the contributions individuals and
organizations have made in our communities. The estimate helps acknowledge
the millions of individuals who dedicate their time, talents, and energy to
making a difference. Charitable organizations frequently use this estimate
to quantify the enormous value volunteers provide.*
Obviously  we agree to disagree on this topic.
G

Glenn McKnight, MA
Virtual School of Internet Governance
Chief Information Officer
www.virtualsig.org
*YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 AM Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Maureen,
> I’m fully aware of the hard work ALAC is doing, that goes without saying.
> It seems you didn’t get my point.
> There is difference between how we at the At-Large perceive ourselves and
> how the others SO/AC perceive us-Jonathan point in warning us.
>
> As per Avri because because she does attend the CPWG meetings and she
> witness the efforts put and that makes her more aware of the hard work than
> anyone else.
>
> The approach that I wanted to pass here particularly we are requesting
> monetary acknowledgment of the volunteering efforts we need to provide an
> evidence of ALAC contributions to ICANN.
> Again, I’m putting the example that I’ve written earlier: If you mentioned
> how many public comments ALAC released during the ongoing pandemic period
> it will be a solid evidence. You can also list the number of different pen
> holders, the number of deferent drafting team who worked on these
> statements that also shows the effort in a tangible easy to give estimate
> of the number of hours invested in this work.
>
> Assuming that the other knows what we do at-large could be a false
> impression.
>
> I hope this time I made myself clear,
>
> Best wishes in your coming mission,
> Nadira
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:22 AM Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nadira
>>
>> The At-Large Review report was actually all about how we are improving
>> our processes and systems so that we are in fact contributing much more
>> effectively to the work of ICANN. This is what we were being congratulated
>> for.
>>
>> I assure you that Avri's words, as the Chair of the Operational
>> Effectiveness Committee, carry more weight than just an individual Board
>> member. Also I hasten to add,  that those words were very much supported by
>> the Chair of the Board in his closing remarks on the resolution as well.
>>
>> Members of At-Large have a lot to be proud of. And the staff are keeping
>> metrics on the participation of those who certainly deserve the accolades.
>> The rest of ICANN know the worth of the CPWG and those who have ably
>> represented At-Large in cross-community working groups.
>>
>> Our contribution is acknowledged which is why the CEO is making this
>> unprecedented gesture by joining us in an intersessional meeting to solicit
>> our views.
>>
>> At the same time, it doesnt matter how good we are, there is always room
>> for improvement.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm Nadira Alaraj, <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The positive comment that Avri mentioned was on a work related to
>>> At-Large community and not entire ICANN. The acknowledgment of one board
>>> member of the contributions is not enough. It is better not to depend on
>>> the assumptions but to provide Information on an actual contribution that
>>> ALAC delivers.
>>> Example: a list of all the advice statements that have been done.
>>> How many new active contributors At-large outreach can bring to ICANN
>>> SO/ACs.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <
>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think
>>>> the workload study which we should focus on.  It gave us little snippets of
>>>> comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of
>>>> all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering.
>>>>
>>>> Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is
>>>> Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best
>>>> practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large
>>>> Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We
>>>> know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't
>>>> meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods.
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Jonathan’s warning.  While I love the outcome of the
>>>>> Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government
>>>>> instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we
>>>>> get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not
>>>>> now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small
>>>>> bickies”. )
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <
>>>>> JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations,
>>>>> in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach,  it would help but
>>>>> that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the
>>>>> organization. In most instances, we are seen
>>>>>
>>>>> as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path
>>>>> we start down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan Zuck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Innovators Network Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Cc:* ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks  Maureen
>>>>>
>>>>> I have beating the drum for a  while that  ICANN should be proactive
>>>>> in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution.     Perhaps  ICANN
>>>>> can commission a study as they did in Canada  to demonstrate our value
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *e  "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to
>>>>> economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the
>>>>> economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of
>>>>> volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked."   source *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20Canada%20Conf%20Board%20Final%20Report%20EN.pdf
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>>>>> Glenn McKnight, MA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Virtual School of Internet Governance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chief Information Officer
>>>>>
>>>>> www.virtualsig.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt
>>>>> the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters
>>>>> that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using
>>>>> this interaction with Goran as an
>>>>>
>>>>> opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN
>>>>> meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an
>>>>> opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal
>>>>> SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were
>>>>> raised, and I asked whether perhaps
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work
>>>>> that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own
>>>>> cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the
>>>>> intellectual contribution they make on a weekly
>>>>>
>>>>> basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of
>>>>> compensation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected
>>>>> to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output,
>>>>> for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with
>>>>> regards to pandemic conditions and the
>>>>>
>>>>> impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across
>>>>> ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what
>>>>> replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN
>>>>> meeting in some exotic place around the world?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and
>>>>> which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of
>>>>> regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for
>>>>> the future of ICANN meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he
>>>>> would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't
>>>>> find it. The discussion should be interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving
>>>>> his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on
>>>>> the Internet Grant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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