[ALAC] [ALT-Plus] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report

Mon Nov 23 17:38:25 UTC 2020

I would prefer "advances the interests of" to "acts in the best interest
of."  The latter seems a bit paternalistic and raises the question of how
we determine the "best interests" of the community.  On the other hand, if
this is more of an aspirational or mission statement, perhaps that is
exactly the goal we should set.  In any event, I could agree to either.

I am sympathetic to a large extent with Jonathan's wariness about the
"representational issue."  It might dictate avoiding the word "represents"
-- but I think that "represents the interests of" is still viable.  As with
the other verbs, it is an essential aspect of what we do.  "Representation"
doesn't necessarily implicate the method of selection (indeed, a number of
ALAC seats are filled by the NomCom (including mine)) -- it does
necessarily define the mission, at least in part.

I am aware of criticism leveled from certain quarters at ALAC and At-Large
regarding our standing as "representatives."  It's something to discuss
directly (and I assume it has been discussed many times) -- my 2-pronged 2
cents are (1) as the NomCom process attests, representation is not intended
to be limited to democratic selection, and (2) we should consider the
communication channels that lead from the ALAC through various channels
(At-Large, RALOs, ALS, ALS members, individual RALO members, website,
social media, emails, etc.) to the At-Large community broadly defined.  I
am not skeptical about our capability to represent the interests of this
vast community, but I am also not sanguine about the challenges of doing
so.  The level of our ability to speak to, and hear from, the 7 billion (or
even the 3.5+ billion connected) end users should be ever-evolving and
improving and should be a continuing focus of our groups.  By definition,
it can never be perfected; however, it can always be improved, which will
in turn improve both our ability to discharge our mission and our ability
to answer the critics (or at least, the legitimate aspects of their
criticism).

Best regards,

Greg

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:03 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks everyone.. There are some interesting options. I hope the ALAC
> members are considering these carefully  :)
>
> M
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:59 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:57 PM Matthias M. Hudobnik <
>> matthias at hudobnik.at> wrote:
>>
>>> My first choice is *"acts in the best interests"* and my second choice
>>> would be *“advances the interests of”*…!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________________
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag
>>> von *Jonathan Zuck
>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 23. November 2020 08:40
>>> *An:* Evan Leibovitch; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>> *Cc:* ALAC; ALT-Plus
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m in favor of getting as active a verb as we can manage without
>>> opening ourselves up to representational issues. I like “advances the
>>> interests of” for some such thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan
>>> Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
>>> *Date: *Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 9:54 PM
>>> *To: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>>> *Cc: *ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with and support Olivier's comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada
>>>
>>> @evanleibovitch / @el56
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 08:20, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Indeed using "oversees" this could imply a matter of top down authority
>>> towards the community, which it does not have.
>>> In using "represents the interests", it goes further than "acts in the
>>> best interests", but it also opens the door to criticism that there are no
>>> procedures in place to ask every Internet user what they think, so it
>>> further exacerbates the issue of legitimacy. Thus I would support "acts in
>>> the best interests"
>>> Kindest regards,
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>> On 22/11/2020 14:17, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Tijani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank for first bringing this matter to our attention. It is an issue
>>> that Alan raised as one that should be dealt with before the report is
>>> accepted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The two alternatives that I had originally been given as replacements
>>> for "oversee" were "advocate for" and "represent" ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I see that your recommendations also include "represents the
>>> interests of" and "is the voice of".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I will ask staff create a poll for the ALAC to pose the alternatives to
>>> be considered for their selection. Thank you again for your suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Maureen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2020, 1:05 am Tijani BEN JEMAA, <
>>> tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Maureen and all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to thank the ALS Mobilization Working Party for their work
>>> and for the quality of their final report.
>>>
>>> I have a concern with the proposal for Bylaws change to replace "The
>>> At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC")
>>> is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet
>>> users » by ""The At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory
>>> Committee" or "ALAC") *oversees* the At-Large Community which is the
>>> primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users.
>>>  »
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ALAC doesn't oversee the At-Large Community. 2/3 of its members are
>>> appointed by this community (RALOs),  I propose to modify this bylaws
>>> change proposal by the following: "The At-Large Advisory Committee
>>> ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC")* is the voice* *of *the
>>> At-Large Community which is the primary organizational home within ICANN
>>> for individual Internet users. » or "The At-Large Advisory Committee
>>> ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC") *represents the interests of*
>>> the At-Large Community which is the primary organizational home within
>>> ICANN for individual Internet users. »
>>>
>>> The term « oversees » is not appropriate. It is as if you say the GNSO
>>> council oversees the NCSG or NCUC or NPOC or the BC or the IPC or the
>>> Registry …. communities. Any term that have the meaning of control or
>>> domination of the At-Large Community by ALAC  wouldn’t be acceptable.
>>> Otherwise, I can live with any other word.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> *Seun Ojedeji,Mobile: +2348035233535*
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>> Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!
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