[ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: ALS Application (307) Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group

Wed Sep 18 17:03:29 UTC 2019

Dear Seun

Thanks for your inputs.

Many ISOC Chapters, including those that are ALSes in our RALOs, do permit
members from any part of the world. Usually these non-local members are
small, but there is little in the ISOC bylaws that limit such numbers.

However, the assumption is that each chapter will do most of its activities
for its local members (since they constitute the majority). Also, while we
admit an ISOC chapter as a member into At-Large, we do not check how many
members are non-local, or what proportion of activities are for non-local.

IMO, a related issue is that if we have too restrictive policies for ALSes,
we make it impossible for some end-user organizations to join any part of
At-Large. In this case, the loss may actually be ours, since we lose
diversity & richness of membership (of course, while agreeing that the
focus in At-Large is policy development within ICANN's remit).

APRALO has been driven by these considerations, particularly diversity and
inclusion, but ALAC is of course free to guide us on this matter.

With kind regards,

satish

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:09 PM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Satish,
>
> I don't think this should be based on assumption, as you and I know that
> the Blockchain SIG for instance (where we are both members) has a global
> scope and has indeed performed activities across regions. There is also
> point about change in leadership as rightly noted by Edwardo.
>
> Our current rules/process does not sufficiently supports a SIG and I think
> proceeding with this one might create a precedence that could be avoided.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 06:06 Satish Babu, <sb at inapp.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Seun,
>>
>> Thanks for your query.
>>
>> We have assumed that the organization will have most of its activities in
>> the region where the majority of its members reside,  which is Asia-Pacific
>> (South Asia in particular).
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:28 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Satish,
>>>
>>> Based on the section you've quoted, I will like to ask whether the scope
>>> of operation of the SIG is exclusively within the APRALO region? If that is
>>> the case then I will be fine with this.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Sent from my mobile
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 03:27 Satish Babu via ALAC, <
>>> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Olivier,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for raising this point. During the due diligence process, we had
>>>> discussed precisely this point in the APRALO list, and had asked Staff to
>>>> re-verify the geographical aspect.
>>>>
>>>> The responses we received from the applicant through Staff were as
>>>> follows:
>>>>
>>>> a. The applicant is registered as a not-for-profit in India
>>>>
>>>> b. All office bearers of the organization are based in Asia-Pacific, as
>>>> are apparently majority of the members.
>>>>
>>>> c. We considered the following section from ICANN's bylaws:
>>>>
>>>> (B) who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic
>>>> Region of the RALO* will predominate in the  operation *of each
>>>> At-Large Structure within the RALO, while not necessarily excluding
>>>> additional participation, compatible with the interests of the individual
>>>> Internet users within the region, by others.
>>>>
>>>> d. On this basis, we have proceeded to recommend admission  of this
>>>> applicant to ALAC.
>>>> Of course, we have not independently verified the information they have
>>>> provided, but have taken it on trust.
>>>>
>>>> I also note that we have put on hold an application for membership from
>>>> another ISOC SIG, because they could not confirm if they had met the above
>>>> criterion.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> With kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> satish
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:44 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
>>>>> recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should have
>>>>> been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special Interest Groups
>>>>> are global as per the explanation on
>>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs
>>>>> This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
>>>>> geographical. See tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07
>>>>>
>>>>> "2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users
>>>>> who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
>>>>> which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may
>>>>> permit additional participation by others that is compatible with the
>>>>> interests of the individual Internet users within the region."
>>>>>
>>>>> The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the work
>>>>> of the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas are not
>>>>> limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG will restrict
>>>>> the majority of its membership to come from the Asia region. The explicit
>>>>> response of the SIG in due diligence was "this is a global SIG".
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one SIG
>>>>> after another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as you are
>>>>> effectively creating votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing list as
>>>>> recently as 11 September 2019 (
>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html
>>>>> ) but I do not see any response to this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS Application (307)
>>>>> Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group has been received.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The following question has been posed to the ALAC:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *****
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307) Internet Society
>>>>> Rural Development Special Interest Group? The regional advice was to accept
>>>>> the application.
>>>>>
>>>>> *****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24 September 2019
>>>>> 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
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