[ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: ALS Application (307) Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group

Wed Sep 18 16:42:14 UTC 2019

I think Satish can add his views on my comments as well.  Many of the IEEE
Sections are potential ALS's  which are geographically based but they also
have something called  SIGHT ( Special Interest Group on Humanitarian
Technologies) ie. Blockchain, IOT etc which are similar to the  SIG  in
ATLARGE which have very large membership but its a Community of Interest in
a specific area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised if the  Rural
Development SIG has a very large number of IEEE members .
g
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:41 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does this not highlight that we need to look further into our registration
> process when looking at organisations, particularly those from developing
> countries, who might form themselves to include  individuals from outside
> of the traditional At-Large regions for reasons that are relevant to their
> group?
>
> This particular group has 200 members of which 34 are members from outside
> of the region and in their application, this has been specifically stated.
> It shows that the group is regionally bound by the majority of its members
> and its title - rural development - perhaps suggests why people from other
> regions and who may share similar concerns that bind the group, may be part
> of it.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 12:00 AM Bartlett Morgan <
> bartlett.morgan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thought exercise: the UN shows up at our door tomorrow and wants to be an
>> ALS. Which region would we stick them in?
>>
>> Re the SIG, which is it, is it a global-reach organization or isn’t it?
>>
>> It’s a “No” for me.
>>
>> -
>> Bart
>> Sent from my mobile
>>
>> > On 18 Sep 2019, at 03:20, Bastiaan Goslings <
>> bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I tend to agree with Olivier and others, and as it stands I therefore
>> am inclined to vote ’no’.
>> >
>> > (And I appreciate statements like ‘If we get active participants out of
>> this ALS we should count ourselves lucky. That is the whole point of our
>> ALS recruitment process’ But in this context I find that not a convincing
>> argument, and I do not think the EURALO/LACRALO ‘BIKLAB’ case is comparable
>> to the ISOC Rural Development SIG application we’re discussing now)
>> >
>> > I do not know how the SIG that is applying to be an ALS is explicitly
>> and ex ante ’organised so that participation by individual Internet users
>> who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
>> which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation.’ But to me
>> that contradicts with the purpose of an ISOC SIG: according to the ISOC
>> page that Olivier referred to ‘a SIG is a non-geographical independent
>> entity’ and  ‘SIGs have a global scope’. I seriously doubt a ISOC SIG is
>> allowed to be ‘organised’ in such a way that the interests of a particular
>> ‘geographic region will predominate’ its ‘operation’.
>> >
>> > While it of course is not our responsibility to see to it that, in this
>> case, a SIG complies with ISOC’s rules, I do wonder why we want to bend our
>> rules, change them, to support this SIG becoming an ALS, also because ‘SIGs
>> (…) have Individual Members of the Internet Society who are also members of
>> a geographical Chapter.’ The obvious way of becoming part At-Large would
>> then be to have the relevant Chapter(s) apply to be an ALS. Assuming that’s
>> not already the case. Being a member of At-Large as an individual is an
>> option too.
>> >
>> > thanks, regards
>> > Bastiaan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 18 Sep 2019, at 07:05, Satish Babu via ALAC <
>> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Seun,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your query.
>> >>
>> >> We have assumed that the organization will have most of its activities
>> in the region where the majority of its members reside,  which is
>> Asia-Pacific (South Asia in particular).
>> >>
>> >> With kind regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> satish
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:28 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Hello Satish,
>> >>
>> >> Based on the section you've quoted, I will like to ask whether the
>> scope of operation of the SIG is exclusively within the APRALO region? If
>> that is the case then I will be fine with this.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Sent from my mobile
>> >> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 03:27 Satish Babu via ALAC, <
>> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>> >> Dear Olivier,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for raising this point. During the due diligence process, we
>> had discussed precisely this point in the APRALO list, and had asked Staff
>> to re-verify the geographical aspect.
>> >>
>> >> The responses we received from the applicant through Staff were as
>> follows:
>> >>
>> >> a. The applicant is registered as a not-for-profit in India
>> >>
>> >> b. All office bearers of the organization are based in Asia-Pacific,
>> as are apparently majority of the members.
>> >>
>> >> c. We considered the following section from ICANN's bylaws:
>> >>
>> >> (B) who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic
>> Region of the RALO will predominate in the  operation of each At-Large
>> Structure within the RALO, while not necessarily excluding additional
>> participation, compatible with the interests of the individual Internet
>> users within the region, by others.
>> >>
>> >> d. On this basis, we have proceeded to recommend admission  of this
>> applicant to ALAC.
>> >> Of course, we have not independently verified the information they
>> have provided, but have taken it on trust.
>> >>
>> >> I also note that we have put on hold an application for membership
>> from another ISOC SIG, because they could not confirm if they had met the
>> above criterion.
>> >>
>> >> I hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> With kind regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> satish
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:44 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Dear Maureen,
>> >>
>> >> I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
>> recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should have
>> been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special Interest Groups
>> are global as per the explanation on https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs
>> >> This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
>> geographical. See tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07
>> >>
>> >> "2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users
>> who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
>> which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may
>> permit additional participation by others that is compatible with the
>> interests of the individual Internet users within the region."
>> >>
>> >> The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the work
>> of the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas are not
>> limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG will restrict
>> the majority of its membership to come from the Asia region. The explicit
>> response of the SIG in due diligence was "this is a global SIG".
>> >>
>> >> I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one SIG
>> after another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as you are
>> effectively creating votes.
>> >>
>> >> The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing list as
>> recently as 11 September 2019 (
>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html
>> ) but I do not see any response to this.
>> >>
>> >> Kindest regards,
>> >>
>> >> Olivier
>> >>
>> >>> On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS Application (307)
>> Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group has been received.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The following question has been posed to the ALAC:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *****
>> >>>
>> >>> Question: Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307) Internet Society
>> Rural Development Special Interest Group? The regional advice was to accept
>> the application.
>> >>>
>> >>> *****
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Please note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24 September 2019
>> 23:59 UTC.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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