[ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: ALS Application (307) Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group

Wed Sep 18 10:12:04 UTC 2019

I would grant high deference to Satish’s interpretation.

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:00 AM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thought exercise: the UN shows up at our door tomorrow and wants to be an
> ALS. Which region would we stick them in?
>
> Re the SIG, which is it, is it a global-reach organization or isn’t it?
>
> It’s a “No” for me.
>
> -
> Bart
> Sent from my mobile
>
> > On 18 Sep 2019, at 03:20, Bastiaan Goslings <
> bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I tend to agree with Olivier and others, and as it stands I therefore am
> inclined to vote ’no’.
> >
> > (And I appreciate statements like ‘If we get active participants out of
> this ALS we should count ourselves lucky. That is the whole point of our
> ALS recruitment process’ But in this context I find that not a convincing
> argument, and I do not think the EURALO/LACRALO ‘BIKLAB’ case is comparable
> to the ISOC Rural Development SIG application we’re discussing now)
> >
> > I do not know how the SIG that is applying to be an ALS is explicitly
> and ex ante ’organised so that participation by individual Internet users
> who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
> which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation.’ But to me
> that contradicts with the purpose of an ISOC SIG: according to the ISOC
> page that Olivier referred to ‘a SIG is a non-geographical independent
> entity’ and  ‘SIGs have a global scope’. I seriously doubt a ISOC SIG is
> allowed to be ‘organised’ in such a way that the interests of a particular
> ‘geographic region will predominate’ its ‘operation’.
> >
> > While it of course is not our responsibility to see to it that, in this
> case, a SIG complies with ISOC’s rules, I do wonder why we want to bend our
> rules, change them, to support this SIG becoming an ALS, also because ‘SIGs
> (…) have Individual Members of the Internet Society who are also members of
> a geographical Chapter.’ The obvious way of becoming part At-Large would
> then be to have the relevant Chapter(s) apply to be an ALS. Assuming that’s
> not already the case. Being a member of At-Large as an individual is an
> option too.
> >
> > thanks, regards
> > Bastiaan
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 18 Sep 2019, at 07:05, Satish Babu via ALAC <
> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Seun,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your query.
> >>
> >> We have assumed that the organization will have most of its activities
> in the region where the majority of its members reside,  which is
> Asia-Pacific (South Asia in particular).
> >>
> >> With kind regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> satish
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:28 AM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hello Satish,
> >>
> >> Based on the section you've quoted, I will like to ask whether the
> scope of operation of the SIG is exclusively within the APRALO region? If
> that is the case then I will be fine with this.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Sent from my mobile
> >> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 03:27 Satish Babu via ALAC, <
> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
> >> Dear Olivier,
> >>
> >> Thanks for raising this point. During the due diligence process, we had
> discussed precisely this point in the APRALO list, and had asked Staff to
> re-verify the geographical aspect.
> >>
> >> The responses we received from the applicant through Staff were as
> follows:
> >>
> >> a. The applicant is registered as a not-for-profit in India
> >>
> >> b. All office bearers of the organization are based in Asia-Pacific, as
> are apparently majority of the members.
> >>
> >> c. We considered the following section from ICANN's bylaws:
> >>
> >> (B) who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic
> Region of the RALO will predominate in the  operation of each At-Large
> Structure within the RALO, while not necessarily excluding additional
> participation, compatible with the interests of the individual Internet
> users within the region, by others.
> >>
> >> d. On this basis, we have proceeded to recommend admission  of this
> applicant to ALAC.
> >> Of course, we have not independently verified the information they have
> provided, but have taken it on trust.
> >>
> >> I also note that we have put on hold an application for membership from
> another ISOC SIG, because they could not confirm if they had met the above
> criterion.
> >>
> >> I hope this helps.
> >>
> >> With kind regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> satish
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:44 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> wrote:
> >> Dear Maureen,
> >>
> >> I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
> recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should have
> been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special Interest Groups
> are global as per the explanation on https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs
> >> This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
> geographical. See tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07
> >>
> >> "2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users who
> are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
> which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may
> permit additional participation by others that is compatible with the
> interests of the individual Internet users within the region."
> >>
> >> The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the work of
> the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas are not
> limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG will restrict
> the majority of its membership to come from the Asia region. The explicit
> response of the SIG in due diligence was "this is a global SIG".
> >>
> >> I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one SIG after
> another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as you are
> effectively creating votes.
> >>
> >> The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing list as
> recently as 11 September 2019 (
> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html
> ) but I do not see any response to this.
> >>
> >> Kindest regards,
> >>
> >> Olivier
> >>
> >>> On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
> >>> Dear All,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS Application (307)
> Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group has been received.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The following question has been posed to the ALAC:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *****
> >>>
> >>> Question: Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307) Internet Society
> Rural Development Special Interest Group? The regional advice was to accept
> the application.
> >>>
> >>> *****
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24 September 2019
> 23:59 UTC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>>
> >>>
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