[ALAC] Bad Actor Admission

[Joanna Kulesza]

Hi Evan and all,

thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm wondering if this implies we
should get rid of ICANN/multistakeholderism? Is there a better alternative
to governing the global network? If so, what is it? I am well aware that
governments (some more than others) are just waiting for ICANN to fail and
are eager to take over where we leave it off. Is that what you're referring
to? Should we just give up, cos MS is a faulty model in itself? I'm
genuinely interested.

Thank you,
Joanna

czw., 28 lut 2019 o 17:34 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> napisał(a):

> I'm not so sure that I see the controversy, as I generally agree with
> Ayden's view of ICANN.
>
> I was at the first-ever Canadian IGF yesterday, whose keynote was Elliot
> Noss triumphantly glowing over the power of multistakeholderism to put
> governments in their place. It was all I could do to break out laughing.
> The raw sense of entitlement, and the assertion that the "community" that
> shows up at ICANN meetings is the only one that matters in Internet
> decision making is ludicrous, and is maintained at high risk.
>
> What ICANN calls governance can best be described not as
> multistakeholderism so much as "the inmates are running the asylum". In a
> later Canadian IGF session on disinfirmation, the head of policy at
> Facebook Canada went into the "trust us, we're doing all we can" mantra
> that many of us have heard so many times. The pattern is unambiguous,
> whether it's Facebook, Tucows or anyone else in the "community". Left to
> govern themselves, the Internet is becoming less safe in its content and
> less safe in its infrastructure.
>
> So, again,. please indicate what's so shocking in what Ayden said. I may
> not share the common view of who the "bad actors" are.
>
> - Evan
>
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 09:55, Bastiaan Goslings <
> bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, John - interesting
>>
>> Just to make it a bit easier to see what this is about:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/ferdeline/status/1101040922995949569
>>
>> Which is in response to
>> https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/
>>
>> regards
>> Bastiaan
>>
>>
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>> > On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:36, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I didn't expect Ayden to publicly admit to being a bad actor.
>> >
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