[ALAC] Bad Actor Admission

Fri Mar 1 09:34:40 UTC 2019

Hello all,

interesting discussion, as usual.
I think that the problem is not whether the multistakeholder model is
better or worse than the multilateral model. The problem is that the
multistakeholder model needs to be balanced. In my view, the ICANN
multistakeholder model is not balanced - it puts too much power in
contracted and commercial parties that have DNS-related business and not
enough in end users and governments - both of which are advisory
committees. The CCWG Accountability process has reinforced the power of
SOs at the expense of ACs - since the Board has less power to balance
out stakeholder points.
As a result we are at a risk that Thomas Schneider, previous GAC Chair,
once said in the discussions on CCWG Accountability, which was that from
time to time, you need to let the GAC have its way otherwise governments
will find that this is not the location for them to be involved in DNS
policy. Instead they'll leave and go to the ITU or the UN or elsewhere
and ICANN will lose its multistakeholder status. When he said that he
was accused of spreading FUD by contracted parties and NCSG. Oh, the
venom that poor Thomas collected for saying this... :-)

What happens next is anyone's guess.

Olivier

On 01/03/2019 08:03, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
> Hi Evan and all,
>
> thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm wondering if this implies we
> should get rid of ICANN/multistakeholderism? Is there a better
> alternative to governing the global network? If so, what is it? I am
> well aware that governments (some more than others) are just waiting
> for ICANN to fail and are eager to take over where we leave it off. Is
> that what you're referring to? Should we just give up, cos MS is a
> faulty model in itself? I'm genuinely interested.
>
> Thank you,
> Joanna 
>
> czw., 28 lut 2019 o 17:34 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org
> <mailto:evan at telly.org>> napisał(a):
>
>     I'm not so sure that I see the controversy, as I generally agree
>     with Ayden's view of ICANN.
>
>     I was at the first-ever Canadian IGF yesterday, whose keynote was
>     Elliot Noss triumphantly glowing over the power of
>     multistakeholderism to put governments in their place. It was all
>     I could do to break out laughing. The raw sense of entitlement,
>     and the assertion that the "community" that shows up at ICANN
>     meetings is the only one that matters in Internet decision making
>     is ludicrous, and is maintained at high risk.
>
>     What ICANN calls governance can best be described not as
>     multistakeholderism so much as "the inmates are running the
>     asylum". In a later Canadian IGF session on disinfirmation, the
>     head of policy at Facebook Canada went into the "trust us, we're
>     doing all we can" mantra that many of us have heard so many times.
>     The pattern is unambiguous, whether it's Facebook, Tucows or
>     anyone else in the "community". Left to govern themselves, the
>     Internet is becoming less safe in its content and less safe in its
>     infrastructure.
>
>     So, again,. please indicate what's so shocking in what Ayden said.
>     I may not share the common view of who the "bad actors" are.
>
>     - Evan
>
>
>
>     On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 09:55, Bastiaan Goslings
>     <bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net
>     <mailto:bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net>> wrote:
>
>         Thanks, John - interesting
>
>         Just to make it a bit easier to see what this is about:
>
>         https://twitter.com/ferdeline/status/1101040922995949569
>
>         Which is in response to
>         https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/
>
>         regards
>         Bastiaan
>
>
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>
>         > On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:36, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com
>         <mailto:jlaprise at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         >
>         > I didn't expect Ayden to publicly admit to being a bad actor.
>         >
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