<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Evan and all,</div><div><br></div><div>thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm wondering if this implies we should get rid of ICANN/multistakeholderism? Is there a better alternative to governing the global network? If so, what is it? I am well aware that governments (some more than others) are just waiting for ICANN to fail and are eager to take over where we leave it off. Is that what you're referring to? Should we just give up, cos MS is a faulty model in itself? I'm genuinely interested.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Joanna </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">czw., 28 lut 2019 o 17:34 Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>> napisał(a):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I'm not so sure that I see the controversy, as I generally agree with Ayden's view of ICANN.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I was at the first-ever Canadian IGF yesterday, whose keynote was Elliot Noss triumphantly glowing over the power of multistakeholderism to put governments in their place. It was all I could do to break out laughing. The raw sense of entitlement, and the assertion that the "community" that shows up at ICANN meetings is the only one that matters in Internet decision making is ludicrous, and is maintained at high risk.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">What ICANN calls governance can best be described not as multistakeholderism so much as "the inmates are running the asylum". In a later Canadian IGF session on disinfirmation, the head of policy at Facebook Canada went into the "trust us, we're doing all we can" mantra that many of us have heard so many times. The pattern is unambiguous, whether it's Facebook, Tucows or anyone else in the "community". Left to govern themselves, the Internet is becoming less safe in its content and less safe in its infrastructure.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">So, again,. please indicate what's so shocking in what Ayden said. I may not share the common view of who the "bad actors" are.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- Evan</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 09:55, Bastiaan Goslings <<a href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net" target="_blank">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Thanks, John - interesting<br>
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Just to make it a bit easier to see what this is about:<br>
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Which is in response to <a href="https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/</a><br>
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> On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:36, John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I didn't expect Ayden to publicly admit to being a bad actor.<br>
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