[ALAC] EPDP Early input

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Aug 29 00:39:58 UTC 2018


Although I was a bit taken aback by the tone in which it was delivered, 
I think the suggestion that we endorse the statement of principles 
SAC2018-17 was along the same lines as my original suggestion. I just 
didn't have that text.

Marita


On 8/28/2018 8:18 PM, Alberto Soto wrote:
>
> This is Holli, me too.
>
> Regards
>
> Alberto
>
> *De:*Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
> *Enviado el:* martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:59 p.m.
> *Para:* Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org>
> *CC:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>; At-Large Worldwide 
> <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Asunto:* Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input
>
> Alberto - I don’t think anyone in the email train is saying anything 
> malignant.  I think we all are well intentioned.  I certainly am and I 
> believe everyone else is as well.
>
> Holly
>
> On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:33 am, Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org 
> <mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     Ok, I agree. But I do not agree that there is malignant At-Large
>     propensity. I'm sure there are only good intentions to participate
>     and collaborate.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Alberto
>
>     *De:*ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>     <mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>*En nombre de*Holly
>     Raiche
>     *Enviado el:*martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:26 p.m.
>     *Para:*Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com
>     <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>>
>     *CC:*At-Large Worldwide <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>     <mailto:alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>     *Asunto:*Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input
>
>     Thanks Carlton
>
>     I really like that suggestion - it is a document only of
>     principles, but ones that ALAC clearly supports, and that fit well
>     into our EPDP discussions and, because of the shortness of time,
>     we can all agree on
>
>     Holly
>
>     On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:16 am, Carlton Samuels
>     <carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>         The At-Large is well-advised to take SSAC publications
>         seriously. For in regard to problem definition, analysis and
>         recommendations to solution they are thorough, devoid of
>         hysteria and exhibits an internal logic any sentient being can
>         apply.
>
>         A suggestion. SAC2018-17
>         <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssac2018-17-26jun18-en.pdf>details
>         the high-level recommendations as principles that the SSAC
>         believes should guide ePDP deliberations. The SSAC say these
>         recommendations are extracted from the SAC101 Advisory; in
>         their own words, "/several of the recommendations are
>         specifically designed as inputs to the ePDP/" then in
>         construction and particularized further in SAC2018-17.
>
>         I have read SAC101 publication and on balance of fact, so
>         affirm.  If you recall, this is the kind of approach some of
>         us advised the ALAC should embrace to guide participation of
>         At-Large representatives on the ePDP. One cannot now say that
>         such a document - meaning an At-Large developed and
>         ALAC-endorsed document -  emerged from that lot of interventions.
>
>          What I can say is the SSAC-enunciated principles look very
>         much like those the rational mind of an At-Large participant
>         would support. I would urge you reject this malignant At-Large
>         propensity to re-invent the wheel. Endorse the principles as
>         outlined in SAC2018-17 and save yourselves a bother without a
>         redeemable quality.
>
>         -Carlton
>
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>         On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM Marita Moll
>         <mmoll at ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
>             Sorry to have missed the call -- still confusing midnight
>             Monday with midnight Tuesday -- I guess I will get used to
>             the format.
>
>             I just read this really well done SSAC report which is
>             clear and thorough. But there is a lot in there. I wonder
>             if we should do a blanket endorsement of everything
>             without careful analysis.
>
>             Could we not have a more nuanced position? For example, we
>             could say that, in line with our mandate to support
>             end-users, we support SSAC's position on ensuring that
>             security professionals and law enforcement have adequate
>             access to WHOIS/RDS data.
>
>             If that is the point we want to make.
>
>             Marita
>
>             On 8/28/2018 2:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
>                 As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has just
>                 completed, all EPDP participant groups have been given
>                 the opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP.
>
>                 So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their input
>                 can be found athttps://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ.
>
>                 The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report
>                 SAC101. A copy is attached for your convenience.
>
>                 I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a
>                 statement saying that we support SAC101, as it is in
>                 line with our stated position of trying to ensure that
>                 security professionals and law enforcement have
>                 adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.
>
>                 I open the floor for discussion and will initiate a
>                 Consensus Call later in the week.
>
>                 Alan
>
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