[ALAC] EPDP Early input
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Aug 29 00:39:58 UTC 2018
Although I was a bit taken aback by the tone in which it was delivered,
I think the suggestion that we endorse the statement of principles
SAC2018-17 was along the same lines as my original suggestion. I just
didn't have that text.
Marita
On 8/28/2018 8:18 PM, Alberto Soto wrote:
>
> This is Holli, me too.
>
> Regards
>
> Alberto
>
> *De:*Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
> *Enviado el:* martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:59 p.m.
> *Para:* Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org>
> *CC:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>; At-Large Worldwide
> <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Asunto:* Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input
>
> Alberto - I don’t think anyone in the email train is saying anything
> malignant. I think we all are well intentioned. I certainly am and I
> believe everyone else is as well.
>
> Holly
>
> On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:33 am, Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org
> <mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok, I agree. But I do not agree that there is malignant At-Large
> propensity. I'm sure there are only good intentions to participate
> and collaborate.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alberto
>
> *De:*ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> <mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>*En nombre de*Holly
> Raiche
> *Enviado el:*martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:26 p.m.
> *Para:*Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com
> <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>>
> *CC:*At-Large Worldwide <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> <mailto:alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
> *Asunto:*Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input
>
> Thanks Carlton
>
> I really like that suggestion - it is a document only of
> principles, but ones that ALAC clearly supports, and that fit well
> into our EPDP discussions and, because of the shortness of time,
> we can all agree on
>
> Holly
>
> On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:16 am, Carlton Samuels
> <carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The At-Large is well-advised to take SSAC publications
> seriously. For in regard to problem definition, analysis and
> recommendations to solution they are thorough, devoid of
> hysteria and exhibits an internal logic any sentient being can
> apply.
>
> A suggestion. SAC2018-17
> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssac2018-17-26jun18-en.pdf>details
> the high-level recommendations as principles that the SSAC
> believes should guide ePDP deliberations. The SSAC say these
> recommendations are extracted from the SAC101 Advisory; in
> their own words, "/several of the recommendations are
> specifically designed as inputs to the ePDP/" then in
> construction and particularized further in SAC2018-17.
>
> I have read SAC101 publication and on balance of fact, so
> affirm. If you recall, this is the kind of approach some of
> us advised the ALAC should embrace to guide participation of
> At-Large representatives on the ePDP. One cannot now say that
> such a document - meaning an At-Large developed and
> ALAC-endorsed document - emerged from that lot of interventions.
>
> What I can say is the SSAC-enunciated principles look very
> much like those the rational mind of an At-Large participant
> would support. I would urge you reject this malignant At-Large
> propensity to re-invent the wheel. Endorse the principles as
> outlined in SAC2018-17 and save yourselves a bother without a
> redeemable quality.
>
> -Carlton
>
>
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> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM Marita Moll
> <mmoll at ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
> Sorry to have missed the call -- still confusing midnight
> Monday with midnight Tuesday -- I guess I will get used to
> the format.
>
> I just read this really well done SSAC report which is
> clear and thorough. But there is a lot in there. I wonder
> if we should do a blanket endorsement of everything
> without careful analysis.
>
> Could we not have a more nuanced position? For example, we
> could say that, in line with our mandate to support
> end-users, we support SSAC's position on ensuring that
> security professionals and law enforcement have adequate
> access to WHOIS/RDS data.
>
> If that is the point we want to make.
>
> Marita
>
> On 8/28/2018 2:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
> As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has just
> completed, all EPDP participant groups have been given
> the opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP.
>
> So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their input
> can be found athttps://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ.
>
> The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report
> SAC101. A copy is attached for your convenience.
>
> I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a
> statement saying that we support SAC101, as it is in
> line with our stated position of trying to ensure that
> security professionals and law enforcement have
> adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.
>
> I open the floor for discussion and will initiate a
> Consensus Call later in the week.
>
> Alan
>
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