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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Although I was a bit
taken aback by the tone in which it was delivered, I think the
suggestion that we endorse the statement of principles SAC2018-17
was along the same lines as my original suggestion. I just
didn't have that text. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/28/2018 8:18 PM, Alberto Soto
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">This is Holli, me too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
lang="ES"> Holly Raiche
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net"><h.raiche@internode.on.net></a> <br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:59
p.m.<br>
<b>Para:</b> Alberto Soto
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org"><asoto@ibero-americano.org></a><br>
<b>CC:</b> Carlton Samuels
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"><carlton.samuels@gmail.com></a>; At-Large Worldwide
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alberto - I don’t think anyone in the email
train is saying anything malignant. I think we all are well
intentioned. I certainly am and I believe everyone else is as
well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Holly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:33 am, Alberto
Soto <<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ok, I agree.
But I do not agree that there is malignant
At-Large propensity. I'm sure there are only good
intentions to participate and collaborate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Alberto</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="ES"> </span></span><span
lang="ES">ALAC <<a
href="mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a>><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En
nombre de<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Holly
Raiche<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>martes,
28 de agosto de 2018 08:26 p.m.<br>
<b>Para:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Carlton
Samuels <<a
href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
<b>CC:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>At-Large
Worldwide <<a
href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Asunto:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[ALAC] EPDP Early input</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Carlton<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I really like that suggestion -
it is a document only of principles, but ones that
ALAC clearly supports, and that fit well into our
EPDP discussions and, because of the shortness of
time, we can all agree on<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Holly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:16 am,
Carlton Samuels <<a
href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The
At-Large is well-advised to take SSAC
publications seriously. For in regard to
problem definition, analysis and
recommendations to solution they are
thorough, devoid of hysteria and
exhibits an internal logic any sentient
being can apply.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">A
suggestion. <a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssac2018-17-26jun18-en.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">SAC2018-17</span></a><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>details
the high-level recommendations as
principles that the SSAC believes should
guide ePDP deliberations. The SSAC say
these recommendations are extracted from
the SAC101 Advisory; in their own words,
"<i>several of the recommendations are
specifically designed as inputs to the
ePDP</i>" then in construction and
particularized further in SAC2018-17. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
have read SAC101 publication and on
balance of fact, so affirm. If you
recall, this is the kind of approach
some of us advised the ALAC should
embrace to guide participation of
At-Large representatives on the ePDP.
One cannot now say that such a document
- meaning an At-Large developed and
ALAC-endorsed document - emerged from
that lot of interventions. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> What
I can say is the SSAC-enunciated
principles look very much like those the
rational mind of an At-Large participant
would support. I would urge you reject
this malignant At-Large propensity to
re-invent the wheel. Endorse the
principles as outlined in SAC2018-17 and
save yourselves a bother without a
redeemable quality.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">-Carlton </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#33CC00">Strategy,
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at
9:39 AM Marita Moll <<a
href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mmoll@ca.inter.net</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">Sorry to have
missed the call -- still confusing
midnight Monday with midnight Tuesday --
I guess I will get used to the format.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">I just read this
really well done SSAC report which is
clear and thorough. But there is a lot
in there. I wonder if we should do a
blanket endorsement of everything
without careful analysis.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">Could we not have
a more nuanced position? For example, we
could say that, in line with our mandate
to support end-users, we support SSAC's
position on ensuring that security
professionals and law enforcement have
adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">If that is the
point we want to make.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif">Marita</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/28/2018 2:23
AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I mentioned on
the ALAC call that has just completed,
all EPDP participant groups have been
given the opportunity to provide
"early input" into the EPDP.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done
so. Their input can be found at<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ</span></a>.<br>
<br>
The SSAC's input consisted of their
recent report SAC101. A copy is
attached for your convenience.<br>
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I would like to suggest that the ALAC
submit a statement saying that we
support SAC101, as it is in line with
our stated position of trying to
ensure that security professionals and
law enforcement have adequate access
to WHOIS/RDS data.<br>
<br>
I open the floor for discussion and
will initiate a Consensus Call later
in the week.<br>
<br>
Alan<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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