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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Although I was a bit
        taken aback by the tone in which it was delivered, I think the
        suggestion that we endorse the statement of principles SAC2018-17
        was along the same lines as my original suggestion. I just
        didn't have that text. <br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/28/2018 8:18 PM, Alberto Soto
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">This is Holli, me too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
                lang="ES"> Holly Raiche
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net"><h.raiche@internode.on.net></a> <br>
                <b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:59
                p.m.<br>
                <b>Para:</b> Alberto Soto
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org"><asoto@ibero-americano.org></a><br>
                <b>CC:</b> Carlton Samuels
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"><carlton.samuels@gmail.com></a>; At-Large Worldwide
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
                <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Alberto - I don’t think anyone in the email
          train is saying anything malignant.  I think we all are well
          intentioned.  I certainly am and I believe everyone else is as
          well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Holly<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:33 am, Alberto
                Soto <<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ok, I agree.
                      But I do not agree that there is malignant
                      At-Large propensity. I'm sure there are only good
                      intentions to participate and collaborate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Alberto</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
                          class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="ES"> </span></span><span
                          lang="ES">ALAC <<a
                            href="mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a>><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En
                            nombre de<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Holly
                          Raiche<br>
                          <b>Enviado el:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>martes,
                          28 de agosto de 2018 08:26 p.m.<br>
                          <b>Para:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Carlton
                          Samuels <<a
                            href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
                          <b>CC:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>At-Large
                          Worldwide <<a
                            href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a>><br>
                          <b>Asunto:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [ALAC] EPDP Early input</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Carlton<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">I really like that suggestion -
                      it is a document only of principles, but ones that
                      ALAC clearly supports, and that fit well into our
                      EPDP discussions and, because of the shortness of
                      time, we can all agree on<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Holly<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:16 am,
                          Carlton Samuels <<a
                            href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</span></a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The
                                At-Large is well-advised to take SSAC
                                publications seriously. For in regard to
                                problem definition, analysis and
                                recommendations to solution they are
                                thorough, devoid of hysteria and
                                exhibits an internal logic any sentient
                                being can apply.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">A
                                suggestion.   <a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssac2018-17-26jun18-en.pdf"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="color:purple">SAC2018-17</span></a><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>details
                                the high-level recommendations as
                                principles that the SSAC believes should
                                guide ePDP deliberations. The SSAC say
                                these recommendations are extracted from
                                the SAC101 Advisory; in their own words,
                                "<i>several of the recommendations are
                                  specifically designed as inputs to the
                                  ePDP</i>" then in construction and
                                particularized further in SAC2018-17. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
                                have read SAC101 publication and on
                                balance of fact, so affirm.  If you
                                recall, this is the kind of approach
                                some of us advised the ALAC should
                                embrace to guide participation of
                                At-Large representatives on the ePDP.
                                One cannot now say that such a document
                                - meaning an At-Large developed and
                                ALAC-endorsed document -  emerged from
                                that lot of interventions. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> What
                                I can say is the SSAC-enunciated
                                principles look very much like those the
                                rational mind of an At-Large participant
                                would support. I would urge you reject
                                this malignant At-Large propensity to
                                re-invent the wheel. Endorse the
                                principles as outlined in SAC2018-17 and
                                save yourselves a bother without a
                                redeemable quality.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">-Carlton  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              ==============================<br>
                              <i><span style="font-family:"Comic
                                  Sans MS"">Carlton A Samuels</span></i><br>
                              <i><span style="font-family:"Comic
                                  Sans MS"">Mobile: 876-818-1799<br>
                                  <span style="color:#33CC00">Strategy,
                                    Process, Governance, Assessment
                                    & Turnaround</span></span></i><br>
                              =============================<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at
                              9:39 AM Marita Moll <<a
                                href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">mmoll@ca.inter.net</span></a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                New Roman",serif">Sorry to have
                                missed the call -- still confusing
                                midnight Monday with midnight Tuesday --
                                I guess I will get used to the format.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                New Roman",serif">I just read this
                                really well done SSAC report which is
                                clear and thorough. But there is a lot
                                in there. I wonder if we should do a
                                blanket endorsement of everything
                                without careful analysis.</span><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                New Roman",serif">Could we not have
                                a more nuanced position? For example, we
                                could say that, in line with our mandate
                                to support end-users, we support SSAC's
                                position on ensuring that security
                                professionals and law enforcement have
                                adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                New Roman",serif">If that is the
                                point we want to make.</span><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                New Roman",serif">Marita</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On 8/28/2018 2:23
                                  AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">As I mentioned on
                                  the ALAC call that has just completed,
                                  all EPDP participant groups have been
                                  given the opportunity to provide
                                  "early input" into the EPDP.<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  <br>
                                  So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done
                                  so. Their input can be found at<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ</span></a>.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  The SSAC's input consisted of their
                                  recent report SAC101. A copy is
                                  attached for your convenience.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I would like to suggest that the ALAC
                                  submit a statement saying that we
                                  support SAC101, as it is in line with
                                  our stated position of trying to
                                  ensure that security professionals and
                                  law enforcement have adequate access
                                  to WHOIS/RDS data.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I open the floor for discussion and
                                  will initiate a Consensus Call later
                                  in the week.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Alan<span
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                                  <br>
                                  <br>
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                              <pre>ALAC mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                              <pre>ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:purple">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                              ALAC mailing list<br>
                              <a
                                href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a><br>
                              <a
                                href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</span></a><br>
                              <br>
                              At-Large Online:<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</span></a><br>
                              ALAC Working Wiki:<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          ALAC mailing list<br>
                          <a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a><br>
                          <a
                            href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</span></a><br>
                          <br>
                          At-Large Online:<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                            href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</span></a><br>
                          ALAC Working Wiki:<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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At-Large Online: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a>
ALAC Working Wiki: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></pre>
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