[ALAC] EPDP Early input

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Tue Aug 28 22:05:35 UTC 2018 

I'll add that there is a CPWG meeting tomorrow that would afford a possibility to talk specifics.

Alan
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On August 28, 2018 6:03:06 PM EDT, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>Perhaps you can identify the parts you don't understand, or understand
>the impact.
>
>Alan
>
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>On August 28, 2018 5:41:32 PM EDT, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net>
>wrote:
>>In response to Alan, for me, it's just a case of not knowing what I 
>>don't know. We are pressed for time. So we can't hold a wiki to bring 
>>everyone up to speed on all parts of the document. If we don't need to
>
>>endorse the whole thing while still endorsing what we feel is
>essential
>>
>>at the moment, good middle road to take.
>>
>>Marita
>>
>>
>>On 8/28/2018 5:18 PM, Alberto Soto wrote:
>>>
>>> In my opinion, Marita's suggestion is an affirmation of what is in
>>the 
>>> SAC101. And I agree.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Alberto
>>>
>>> *De:*ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *En nombre de *Alan
>
>>> Greenberg
>>> *Enviado el:* martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 05:43 p.m.
>>> *Para:* Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>; Joanna Kulesza 
>>> <jkuleszaicann at gmail.com>
>>> *CC:* alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> *Asunto:* Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input
>>>
>>> As I replied to Marita, I can live with the short statement she 
>>> suggested but I would also like to understand what reservations
>there
>>
>>> are about the specific issues addressed in SAC101. Although there
>are
>>
>>> items there that I was not previously aware of, as far as I can tell
>
>>> (and I may have missed something), all of their recommendations are
>>in 
>>> support of providing adequate access for security professionals.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> At 28/08/2018 04:17 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
>>>
>>>     Joanna, Marita- that’s what this list is for - listening to
>>each
>>>     other, and I”m really pleased to hear both of your voices. 
>The
>>>     only way we can ever reach a real consensus is to speak up - and
>>>     then listen respectfully - so great that both of you spoke up.
>>>
>>>     Holly
>>>     On 29 Aug 2018, at 6:03 am, Joanna Kulesza
>>>     <jkuleszaicann at gmail.com <mailto:jkuleszaicann at gmail.com> >
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Thank you Marita. I am fully aware of that controversy hence
>>>         my concern. SSAC view of adequate/tiered access might (?) be
>>>         different from ours, that's the reason for my questions.
>Just
>>>         a newcomer looking to learn ;)
>>>
>>>         Looking forward to hearing other views,
>>>         J.
>>>
>>>         W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Marita Moll
>>>         <mmoll at ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>
>napisał(a):
>>>         > Hi. Yes, "adequate access" is a very blurry term. However,
>>>         tiered access is one of the key topics being explored in the
>>>         EPDP process -- and I guess there will be very intense
>>>         discussions about what is considered "adequate" and for
>whom.
>>>         The controversy is already in full swing.
>>>         >
>>>         > Marita
>>>         >
>>>         > On 8/28/2018 3:35 PM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>>>         >
>>>         > Thank you Alan, I fully see your point. As already said,
>if
>>>         the group do decide to go for a more nuanced response, I'm
>>>         happy to help with the drafting. Just to briefly respond to
>>>         Marita's suggestion:  I would assume the details of any
>>>         "adequate access" are bound to stir controversy. Yet if the
>>>         group decide we are for full endorsement, I will halt my
>>concerns.
>>>         >
>>>         > Just my two cents. Thanks!
>>>         > J.
>>>         >
>>>         > W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Alan Greenberg
>>>         <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>
>>>         napisał(a):
>>>         >> I can only give you my opinion. I cannot say whether our
>>>         position is identical to that of SSAC, but I cannot see
>>>         anything in that document that I do not believe is in
>support
>>>         of our needs. I do not think that we have the bacndwidth to
>>>         work from scratch at the moment, and in a timely manner.
>>>         Voicing support for this report was a quick action that I
>>>         believed we could take without compromising our position.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> I would be interested in understanding what we do not
>>agree
>>>         with and we could certainly add those caveats if there was
>>>         agreement.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> And thank you for jumping in!  :-)
>>>         >>
>>>         >> Alan
>>>         >>
>>>         >> At 28/08/2018 05:09 AM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>>>         >>
>>>         >> Thank you Alan and Andrei for the updates.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> Please excuse my newcomer confusion - not meaning to stir
>>>         the pot here - but I'm wondering how close At-Large's/ALAC's
>>>         position is to that of the SSAC? Do we agree with their
>>report
>>>         100%? My initial thinking is that representing users, we
>>might
>>>         want a somewhat more diversified approach than that offered
>>by
>>>         the SSAC, ensuring full GDPR compliance (I'm happy to
>>>         elaborate if needed). Also, would it make sense to take on
>>the
>>>         positions of other communities in our statement, if only for
>>>         the sake of future consensus building? As already briefly
>>>         mentioned to Alan, I'm happy to help with the drafting if
>>needed.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> Best to all,
>>>         >> Joanna Kulesza
>>>         >> --------------------------------
>>>         >> Joanna Kulesza, PhD
>>>         >> assistant professor of international law and Internet
>>>         governance
>>>         >> Faculty of Law and Administration, University of Lodz
>>>         >> Kopcinskiego Street 8/12, 90-232 Lodz, Poland
>>>         >> publications: https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/
>>>         >> website: https://pl.linkedin.com/in/kuleszajoanna
>>>         >>
>>>         >> wt., 28 sie 2018 o 08:27 Alan Greenberg
>>>         <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>
>>>         napisaÃ…‚(a): As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has justt
>>>         completed, all EPDP participant groups have been given the
>>>         opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP.
>>>         >> So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their input
>can
>>>         be found at https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ.
>>>         >> The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report SAC101.
>>A
>>>         copy is attached for your convenience.
>>>         >> I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a statement
>>>         saying that we support SAC101, as it is in line with our
>>>         stated position of trying to ensure that security
>>>         professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to
>>>         WHOIS/RDS data.
>>>         >> I open the floor for discussion and will initiate a
>>>         Consensus Call later in the week.
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