[ALAC] EPDP Early input
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Tue Aug 28 22:03:06 UTC 2018
Perhaps you can identify the parts you don't understand, or understand the impact.
Alan
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On August 28, 2018 5:41:32 PM EDT, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>In response to Alan, for me, it's just a case of not knowing what I
>don't know. We are pressed for time. So we can't hold a wiki to bring
>everyone up to speed on all parts of the document. If we don't need to
>endorse the whole thing while still endorsing what we feel is essential
>
>at the moment, good middle road to take.
>
>Marita
>
>
>On 8/28/2018 5:18 PM, Alberto Soto wrote:
>>
>> In my opinion, Marita's suggestion is an affirmation of what is in
>the
>> SAC101. And I agree.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alberto
>>
>> *De:*ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *En nombre de *Alan
>> Greenberg
>> *Enviado el:* martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 05:43 p.m.
>> *Para:* Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>; Joanna Kulesza
>> <jkuleszaicann at gmail.com>
>> *CC:* alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> *Asunto:* Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input
>>
>> As I replied to Marita, I can live with the short statement she
>> suggested but I would also like to understand what reservations there
>
>> are about the specific issues addressed in SAC101. Although there are
>
>> items there that I was not previously aware of, as far as I can tell
>> (and I may have missed something), all of their recommendations are
>in
>> support of providing adequate access for security professionals.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 28/08/2018 04:17 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
>>
>> Joanna, Marita- that’s what this list is for - listening to
>each
>> other, and Iâ€m really pleased to hear both of your voices. The
>> only way we can ever reach a real consensus is to speak up - and
>> then listen respectfully - so great that both of you spoke up.
>>
>> Holly
>> On 29 Aug 2018, at 6:03 am, Joanna Kulesza
>> <jkuleszaicann at gmail.com <mailto:jkuleszaicann at gmail.com> >
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you Marita. I am fully aware of that controversy hence
>> my concern. SSAC view of adequate/tiered access might (?) be
>> different from ours, that's the reason for my questions. Just
>> a newcomer looking to learn ;)
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing other views,
>> J.
>>
>> W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Marita Moll
>> <mmoll at ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> napisał(a):
>> > Hi. Yes, "adequate access" is a very blurry term. However,
>> tiered access is one of the key topics being explored in the
>> EPDP process -- and I guess there will be very intense
>> discussions about what is considered "adequate" and for whom.
>> The controversy is already in full swing.
>> >
>> > Marita
>> >
>> > On 8/28/2018 3:35 PM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you Alan, I fully see your point. As already said, if
>> the group do decide to go for a more nuanced response, I'm
>> happy to help with the drafting. Just to briefly respond to
>> Marita's suggestion: I would assume the details of any
>> "adequate access" are bound to stir controversy. Yet if the
>> group decide we are for full endorsement, I will halt my
>concerns.
>> >
>> > Just my two cents. Thanks!
>> > J.
>> >
>> > W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Alan Greenberg
>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> >
>> napisał(a):
>> >> I can only give you my opinion. I cannot say whether our
>> position is identical to that of SSAC, but I cannot see
>> anything in that document that I do not believe is in support
>> of our needs. I do not think that we have the bacndwidth to
>> work from scratch at the moment, and in a timely manner.
>> Voicing support for this report was a quick action that I
>> believed we could take without compromising our position.
>> >>
>> >> I would be interested in understanding what we do not
>agree
>> with and we could certainly add those caveats if there was
>> agreement.
>> >>
>> >> And thank you for jumping in! :-)
>> >>
>> >> Alan
>> >>
>> >> At 28/08/2018 05:09 AM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you Alan and Andrei for the updates.
>> >>
>> >> Please excuse my newcomer confusion - not meaning to stir
>> the pot here - but I'm wondering how close At-Large's/ALAC's
>> position is to that of the SSAC? Do we agree with their
>report
>> 100%? My initial thinking is that representing users, we
>might
>> want a somewhat more diversified approach than that offered
>by
>> the SSAC, ensuring full GDPR compliance (I'm happy to
>> elaborate if needed). Also, would it make sense to take on
>the
>> positions of other communities in our statement, if only for
>> the sake of future consensus building? As already briefly
>> mentioned to Alan, I'm happy to help with the drafting if
>needed.
>> >>
>> >> Best to all,
>> >> Joanna Kulesza
>> >> --------------------------------
>> >> Joanna Kulesza, PhD
>> >> assistant professor of international law and Internet
>> governance
>> >> Faculty of Law and Administration, University of Lodz
>> >> Kopcinskiego Street 8/12, 90-232 Lodz, Poland
>> >> publications: https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/
>> >> website: https://pl.linkedin.com/in/kuleszajoanna
>> >>
>> >> wt., 28 sie 2018 o 08:27 Alan Greenberg
>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> >
>> napisaÃ…‚(a): As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has justt
>> completed, all EPDP participant groups have been given the
>> opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP.
>> >> So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their input can
>> be found at https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ.
>> >> The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report SAC101.
>A
>> copy is attached for your convenience.
>> >> I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a statement
>> saying that we support SAC101, as it is in line with our
>> stated position of trying to ensure that security
>> professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to
>> WHOIS/RDS data.
>> >> I open the floor for discussion and will initiate a
>> Consensus Call later in the week.
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