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Alan<br>
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On August 28, 2018 5:41:32 PM EDT, Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">In response to Alan,
for me, it's just a case of not knowing what I don't know. We
are pressed for time. So we can't hold a wiki to bring everyone
up to speed on all parts of the document. If we don't need to
endorse the whole thing while still endorsing what we feel is
essential at the moment, good middle road to take.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/28/2018 5:18 PM, Alberto Soto
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">In my opinion, Marita's suggestion is an
affirmation of what is in the SAC101. And I agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span lang="ES"> ALAC
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> <b>En
nombre de </b>Alan Greenberg<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 05:43
p.m.<br>
<b>Para:</b> Holly Raiche
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net"><h.raiche@internode.on.net></a>; Joanna Kulesza
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com"><jkuleszaicann@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>CC:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I replied to Marita, I can live with the
short statement she suggested but I would also like to
understand what reservations there are about the specific
issues addressed in SAC101. Although there are items there
that I was not previously aware of, as far as I can tell (and
I may have missed something), all of their recommendations are
in support of providing adequate access for security
professionals.<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 28/08/2018 04:17 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joanna, Marita- that’s what this list
is for - listening to each other, and Iâ€m really pleased
to hear both of your voices. The only way we can ever reach
a real consensus is to speak up - and then listen
respectfully - so great that both of you spoke up.<br>
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Holly<br>
On 29 Aug 2018, at 6:03 am, Joanna Kulesza <<a href="mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jkuleszaicann@gmail.com</a> >
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Marita. I am fully aware of
that controversy hence my concern. SSAC view of
adequate/tiered access might (?) be different from ours,
that's the reason for my questions. Just a newcomer
looking to learn ;) <br>
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Looking forward to hearing other views,<br>
J.<br>
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W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" moz-do-not-send="true">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>
napisał(a):<br>
> Hi. Yes, "adequate access" is a very blurry term.
However, tiered access is one of the key topics being
explored in the EPDP process -- and I guess there will be
very intense discussions about what is considered
"adequate" and for whom. The controversy is already in
full swing.<br>
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> Marita<br>
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> On 8/28/2018 3:35 PM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:<br>
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> Thank you Alan, I fully see your point. As already
said, if the group do decide to go for a more nuanced
response, I'm happy to help with the drafting. Just to
briefly respond to Marita's suggestion: I would assume
the details of any "adequate access" are bound to stir
controversy. Yet if the group decide we are for full
endorsement, I will halt my concerns.<br>
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> Just my two cents. Thanks!<br>
> J.<br>
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> W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> >
napisał(a):<br>
>> I can only give you my opinion. I cannot say
whether our position is identical to that of SSAC, but I
cannot see anything in that document that I do not believe
is in support of our needs. I do not think that we have
the bacndwidth to work from scratch at the moment, and in
a timely manner. Voicing support for this report was a
quick action that I believed we could take without
compromising our position.<br>
>><br>
>> I would be interested in understanding what we do
not agree with and we could certainly add those caveats if
there was agreement.<br>
>><br>
>> And thank you for jumping in! :-)<br>
>><br>
>> Alan<br>
>><br>
>> At 28/08/2018 05:09 AM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you Alan and Andrei for the updates.<br>
>><br>
>> Please excuse my newcomer confusion - not meaning
to stir the pot here - but I'm wondering how close
At-Large's/ALAC's position is to that of the SSAC? Do we
agree with their report 100%? My initial thinking is that
representing users, we might want a somewhat more
diversified approach than that offered by the SSAC,
ensuring full GDPR compliance (I'm happy to elaborate if
needed). Also, would it make sense to take on the
positions of other communities in our statement, if only
for the sake of future consensus building? As already
briefly mentioned to Alan, I'm happy to help with the
drafting if needed.<br>
>><br>
>> Best to all,<br>
>> Joanna Kulesza<br>
>> --------------------------------<br>
>> Joanna Kulesza, PhD<br>
>> assistant professor of international law and
Internet governance<br>
>> Faculty of Law and Administration, University of
Lodz<br>
>> Kopcinskiego Street 8/12, 90-232 Lodz, Poland<br>
>> publications: <a href="https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/</a><br>
>> website: <a href="https://pl.linkedin.com/in/kuleszajoanna" moz-do-not-send="true">https://pl.linkedin.com/in/kuleszajoanna</a><br>
>><br>
>> wt., 28 sie 2018 o 08:27 Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> >
napisaÃ…‚(a): As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has
justt completed, all EPDP participant groups have been
given the opportunity to provide "early input" into the
EPDP.<br>
>> So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their
input can be found at <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ</a>.<br>
>> The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report
SAC101. A copy is attached for your convenience.<br>
>> I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a
statement saying that we support SAC101, as it is in line
with our stated position of trying to ensure that security
professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to
WHOIS/RDS data.<br>
>> I open the floor for discussion and will initiate
a Consensus Call later in the week.<br>
>> Alan
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