[ALAC] Explanation of RoP Director voting alternatives

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Thu Jun 16 05:50:58 UTC 2016

Hi Alan,

I am not sure I agree that supporters of leading contestant will go for the
weakest among the 2 tied contestants. I believe they will just go for their
second preferred candidate which cannot be termed weakest (in politics, the
weakest is the one with the lowest votes ;-) ).

The other point is that, if the ballot has option of abstaining(or "none of
the above"), those who are so convinced may also use that as well.

Overall I think the goal is to go for something almost close to best and
fair, I think option 2 satisfies that.


Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On 16 Jun 2016 5:43 a.m., "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:

> As I said, I think that option 2 will lead to strategic voting where the
> supporters of the leading candidate may vote for the WEAKEST candidate
> instead of for their preferred choice (among the two), and I believe that
> in the final race, we should have the two strongest candidates against each
> other.
> You are correct that option 1 brings the leading contestant in, but option
> 2 allows the electors who support this candidate to vote (since we could
> not exclude them!)
> But clearly others have a different views. Makes life interesting!
> Alan
> At 15/06/2016 12:22 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> I would agree with Tijani's option as well, for similar reason; I think
> it's just fair not to bring the leading contestant in the tie breaking
> process between 2 other contestants.
> Regards
> Regards
> Sent from my LG G4
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> On 15 Jun 2016 16:59, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" < tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>
> wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> My inclination is to option 2. I find it more logical and preserve the
> right of the candidate with the best score. I think that the first vote is
> done without side consideration, means that each electorate member will
> vote for their preferred candidate, and its result is the more relevant
> with the electorate choice. So, it’s fair to respect it and keep the
> candidate with the best score and rerun the vote to break the tie between
> the tied candidates.
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> Le 10 juin 2016 Ã  22:22, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca > a
> écrit :
> In the Rules of Procedure revision that I sent a few days ago, there are
> several options to one of the voting stages in the selection of the
> At-Large Director. The RoP revision group did not reach unanimity on which
> option to pick (largely because of the deadline required to sent the
> revision to the ALAC to allow us to approve the revisions in Helsinki).
> The options have to do with the reduction of three candidates to two. In
> the optimal case, one of the three candidates will have fewer votes (or
> first preference votes) and will be dropped, resulting in two candidates
> being left. The difficulty arises if the two candidates tie for last place,
> but with the leading candidate not receiving an absolute majority of votes
> needed to be declared the final winner.
> Option 1: Re-run the entire three-way election, with the hope that some
> positions may have changed. This would be done just once. If the second
> vote results in a tie for the last position (even if it is not the same
> pair as the first time), one of those tied is eliminated based on a
> verifiable random selection. The down side of this method is that no one
> may alter their vote and we would have to use a random selection.
> Option 2: Have a run-off vote between the two tied candidates. If the
> results between the two is tied, a verifiable random selection would be
> used to eliminate one of them. The down side of this option is something
> called "strategic voting". Those electors who originally voted for the
> leading candidate (the one not in this runoff) may not vote for the  person
> they prefer, but could vote for the one they perceive as the weakest
> opponent to their preferred candidate.
> Option 3: There will be no 2nd vote. One of the two tied candidates will
> be dropped based on a verifiable random selection.
> Option 4: Use the same STV voting as would be used in the first round (to
> narrow the slate down to three). The BigPulse STV system will always
> eliminate one candidate, but if it must resort to a random selection, it
> would be internal to the voting system and would not be verifiable (ie it
> would have to be trusted to have used a truly random selection.
> Since the ALAC will have to decide on a which option to use, it would be
> good to begin the discussion now and not wait for Helsinki.
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