[ALAC] ALAC Working Methods - Was: Endorsements: Competition, Consumer Trust and Consumer Choice Review Team

Fri Nov 27 03:12:00 UTC 2015

At 26/11/2015 09:29 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

>Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
>Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>On 27 Nov 2015 00:12, "Alan Greenberg" 
><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
> >
> > I now think I understand the issue here, and 
> it is indeed an issue of how the ALAC works.
> >
>SO: I am glad to read this part ;-)
>
><snip> Thanks for explaining the process.
> >. So if only 1 or 2 ALAC members disagree with 
> something, we can still claim to have 
> consensus. with 3/15 (20%), it is right on the 
> line and I would probably not declare a 
> consensus is in that case. In the case at hand, 
> one person disagreed. That should not be 
> ignored (and I did explain why I disagreed), 
> and no one else supported your position.
> >
>SO: Yes correct and that is absolutely 
>understandable by me as it's similar to how we 
>observe consensus within AfriNIC (where I serve 
>as Co-Chair). The difference is that Chair 
>always come back to declare the outcome so we can move to next item
>
> >
>So I felt that there was a strong (but not 
>unanimous) consensus to proceed with the plan.
> >
>
>SO: This is where the confusion came for me as 
>it was not possible to know what the Chair felt 
>remotely(at times it's not physically ;-) ). I 
>was being careful not to act on what has not 
>been declared by the Chair ( AFRALO leadership 
>on this list, would confirm that we were making 
>plans at AFRALO level but just waiting for the 
>declaration from Chair). So I guess going 
>forward, it should be clear on how many number 
>of days (or hours) one should wait for any 
>opposing view before assuming consensus (even if 
>the Chair did not formerly declare it)
>
> > Hopefully this particular case, and our general methodology is now clear.
> >
>
>SO: Yes indeed, and hopefully the motivation for 
>me abstaining when we voted is also now 
>understood. Now that we are clear, I do like to 
>formerly update my abstain to a +1 (if it's possible)
>
>Regards
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > At 24/11/2015 03:59 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Alan,
> >>
> >> Just for the record, here is the follow-up 
> mail I sent to the list and I also sent you a 
> private follow-up message when I did not hear 
> from you Alan (both of which did not receive a response).
> >>
> >> There was discussion on item 1 of what you 
> said you required and there was no indication 
> on whether item 2 and 3 was in effect so I 
> wrote requesting confirmation of that. This 
> could also be an issue with me getting used to 
> how ALAC operates but perhaps your response would have helped.
> >>
> >> For the record, AFRALO would have organised 
> her nominations just that we(I) thought there 
> was still discussion on item 1 and that item 2 and 3 was pending.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> >> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> >> On 18 Nov 2015 13:01, "Seun Ojedeji" 
> <<mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>seun.ojedeji at gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Alan,
> >>
> >> Can you confirm if your proposal for 1 
> nomination each at ALAC and RALO level 
> respectively is now in effect? so regions can 
> organise. Will be good to know the deadline for the nomination.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> >> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> >> On 18 Nov 2015 00:59, "Alan Greenberg" 
> <<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca > wrote:
> >> There is no formal rule against endorsing 
> candidates who did not identify ALAC in the 
> application. However, I see little merit in 
> evaluating all 72 applications, and for the 
> reasons that Cheryl, outlines, I do not think 
> it proper for us to unilaterally "adopt" a candidate.
> >>
> >> If you know of someone who you think we 
> should consider, please let me know and I will contact them privately.
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> At 17/11/2015 12:50 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> >> That is a good idea, but I would prefer to 
> do this endorsement and then establish the 
> rules associated with the group's ongoing task. 
> There is not enough time to do that properly 
> and have it formally sanctioned by the ALAC and 
> then get this endorsement carried out.
> >>
> >> Regarding selection of candidates who did 
> not identify ALAC of a target group. Good question. I will look into it.
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> At 17/11/2015 02:39 AM, SÃƒÂ©bastien Bachollet wrote:
> >> Thanks Alan for putting the proposal together,
> >> I support your proposal.
> >> It is important that we embarque in this choice both ALAC and the Ralos.
> >>
> >> However, can we have this group set-up for one year and to be in charge of
> >> all the endorsements during that year?
> >>
> >> One question: Can we support people even if they didnÃ‚Â¹t ask for ALAC
> >> endorsement?
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >>
> >> Skills are useful but diversity is essential.
> >>
> >> SÃƒÂ©bastien Bachollet
> >> +33 6 07 66 89 33
> >> Blog: <http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/>http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/
> >> Mail: SÃƒÂ©bastien Bachollet 
> <<mailto:sebastien at bachollet.com>sebastien at bachollet.com >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 17/11/2015 03:12, Ã‚Â« Alan Greenberg Ã‚Â»
> >> < 
> <mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
> on behalf of
> >> <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca > a ÃƒÂ©crit :
> >>
> >> >In Dublin I suggested that the ALT recommend who to endorse for the
> >> >Competition, Consumer Trust and Consumer Choice Review Team and there
> >> >was a strong feeling within the ALAC that this responsibility not be
> >> >given to the ALT. The applicants have now been announced and we need
> >> >to decide who to endorse
> >> >- 
> <https://www.icann.org/resources/reviews/aoc/cct/applications>https://www.icann.org/resources/reviews/aoc/cct/applications.
> >> >
> >> >I suggest that we use the same composition for the selection team as
> >> >we have for a number of other recent groups, for each region, one
> >> >ALAC Member selected by the Members from that region, and one person
> >> >selected by the RALO leadership. No one who has submitted an
> >> >application is eligible to serve of the endorsement group. All team
> >> >members will need to:
> >> >
> >> >- Be familiar with the purpose of the Review
> >> >( 
> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/call-volunteers-cct-rt-2015-10-01-e>https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/call-volunteers-cct-rt-2015-10-01-e 
>
> >> >n).
> >> >- Review the Applications.
> >> >- Prepare a brief evaluation of each candidate (details to be provided).
> >> >
> >> >Endorsements are due no later than 14 December.
> >> >
> >> >Nine people indicated that they were seeking ALAC endorsements, five
> >> >seeking only an ALAC endorsement, and four list multiple alternatives.
> >> >
> >> >I am happy to have the ALAC delegate the endorsements to this group,
> >> >and if the ALAC agrees, there will be no need for the ALAC to ratify
> >> >the endorsements.
> >> >
> >> >We will be scheduling the first (and possibly only) meeting of the
> >> >group for the week on November 30th, so please submit names within
> >> >the next week to ensure that we can select a suitable time for the
> >> >meeting.
> >> >
> >> >To be clear, I am looking for:
> >> >
> >> >1. Any objections to having the group make the endorsements without
> >> >further ALAC action.
> >> >
> >> >2. The name of the ALAC member from each region to participate in the
> >> >endorsement process.
> >> >
> >> >3. The name of the regional appointee from each region to participate
> >> >in the endorsement process.
> >> >
> >> >Alan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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