[ALAC] CONSENSUS CALL: Reconstitution of CROPP Review Team

Fri Mar 6 18:21:46 UTC 2015

Hi all,

In my mind, selecting people before and then have them join a parent group would seem like filling in a blank required for the appointment and not the other way.

I would agree not to create barriers but from my view the barriers are created by those wanting to be designated but not willing to collaborate in working groups. As my Mom said to me when I got an F on any school subject “The teacher didn’t get you that F. You got that yourself”.

If someone has been active in this context, then automatically would be able to be designated. If that person hasn’t been active, then I wouldn’t find a reason for putting in said person a complex and demanding responsibility as the one we’re talking about.

Those are just my thoughts.

Best regards,

León

> El 06/03/2015, a las 11:33, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com> escribió:
> 
>   HI Alan,
>   It is not, but that could be after the fact and not before we choose
>   people. Once we select them then they will become a member of those
>   groups, but to restrict the selection to have to be a member of those 2
>   groups prior to selection restricts the selection.
>   Judith
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>   On 3/6/2015 12:29 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> 
>     Is joining one of the "parent" groups really too onerous?
>     Alan
>     --
>     Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.
> 
>   On March 6, 2015 10:41:36 AM EST, Judith Hellerstein
>   [4]<judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
> 
> HI Alan,
> 
> I am not saying to put some one in a decision making role who is not active in
> any committee.  I agree, I do not think this would be effective.  I am just
> saying we should not have to restrict ourselves to only choosing some one who i
> s
> a member/participant of the Outreach and Finance and Budget. We may want to
> choose some one who was an active member of another At Large working group or
> Committee.  I think we should not restrict our choice to only those two
> committees. If some one is active on another committee RALO leaders may want to
> 
> try and convince them to become the CROPP RT or join that committee if we think
> 
> it would be a good fit for that person.  I am just seeking to get this chance.
> I
> think this is also what Ali was also asking?  I really thought that this was th
> e
> addition was what Cheryl had put forward which is why I did not say anything in
> 
> Singapore.
> 
> Cheers!!
> Judith
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> On 3/6/2015 10:01 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> 
>     Judith, It is extremely important to get new people actively
>     involved. Putting someone who is NOT actively involved an has no
>     history in At-Large in a decision-making role is not, in my mind,
>     the way to go. More specifically, giving someone decision making
>     responsibility relate d to outreach and budget when they have shown
>     no interest in either is not how I, as a hopefully responsible
>     manager, would choose to go. Moreover, if you read the requirements
>     carefully, the person to be selected did not have to be a formal
>     MEMBER of the SC, just a Participant. Both the FBSC and the planned
>     O&E SC are open. All it takes to become a participant is to send an
>     e-mail to Staff saying they want to be on the SC. In any case,
>     please see my next message on this subject. Alan At 06/03/2015 08:24
>     AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
> 
>     Dear Olivier, I agree with Ali. What I thought Cheryl was suggesting
>     in Singapore that the RALO can select a person to be the Cropp RT
>     who is not currently on the outreach or budget. We want to expand
>     the pool and the best way of doing this is to find people who are
>     active contributors in one other forum and get them to take on a new
>     role. We need to find a way to energize people in the RALOs to take
>     on new responsibilities and one way of doing this is to ask people
>     who have contributed in some other groups to take on a mor active
>     role and become a cropp rt. We ate not going to choose people who
>     will not be good at this as in NARALO we already have had the
>     experience of having a person who is not active on any committees we
>     want to avoid this and at the same time get new blood and new people
>     interested in becoming involved and asking them to take a job is one
>     way of doing this and is why I thought Cheryl had suggested this. If
>     we are restricted to choosing people who currently are on outreach
>     or budget it really constricts us on who we can appoint and then
>     makes us choose some one who is already acti ve and not get a way to
>     get more people active in leadership roles. The CROPP RT role is an
>     important role but it is not so time consuming so is a good way to
>     have a past contributor at meetings and working groups, just not
>     these 2 specific ones, become more active These are my thoughts
>     Judith
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