[ALAC] Questions on Accountability Proposals

Sébastien Bachollet sebastien at bachollet.com
Mon Jun 1 17:29:13 UTC 2015


Hello all,
I get you point Olivier.
But our only weapon to gain something in the discussion is to express the
possibility that we will not agree.
If At-Large says, anyhow we will agree, unfortunately we don¹t have much
forces.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet
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De :  Olivier Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
Date :  lundi 1 juin 2015 19:07
À :  Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, Maureen Hilyard
<maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
Cc :  ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Objet :  Re: [ALAC] Questions on Accountability Proposals

>     
>  Hello all,
>  
>  it is exactly for this reason that I selected "No". The Accountability
> Process is so important that I would not risk jeopardizing it for something as
> unworkable and as unlikely as this.
>  Kind regards,
>  
>  Olivier
>  
>  
> Le 31/05/2015 19:29, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
>  
>  
>>  Perhaps the logic is similar, but the implications if the ALAC were to take
>> such a position an possibly jeopardize the accountability measures being
>> adopted and thus the IANA transition are not insignificant.
>>  
>>  Alan
>>  
>>  At 31/05/2015 01:00 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>  
>>> Not exactly opposite, Alan. Olivier did qualify his NO response with " I see
>>> no particular harm in a call for something that will, in  practice, likely
>>> neither work, nor ever be used. If we reach the need  for legal
>>> enforceability, it means ICANN really is in trouble." which prompted my
>>> "Well, What's the point.."
>>>  
>>>  On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca >
>>> wrote:
>>>   Murray, You cannot fully support the comments of Maureen and Olivier
>>> because they answered exactly oppositely to Q3.
>>>  
>>>   Alan
>>>  
>>>   At 31/05/2015 12:15 PM, Murray McKercher wrote:
>>>  
>>>>  1. Yes, 2. No 3. Yes
>>>>  
>>>>   I fully support the comments made by Olivier and Maureen.
>>>>  
>>>>   Consensus consultation and transparency provide the foundation for
>>>> democratic process. If ICANN is serious in its dedication to creating a
>>>> democratic global governance system, then commitment to consensus
>>>> consultation and transparency is key. Substantive movement towards
>>>> confrontational legalistic processes may undermine the strategic goals of
>>>> the organisation and the spirit to which the volunteers are committed.
>>>>  
>>>>   Murray McKercher
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>   On Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:14 PM, Alan Greenberg
>>>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca > wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>   Yes, No and No.
>>>>  
>>>>   At 30/05/2015 10:04 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>>   >1. Do you believe that failing anything else, we must have the
>>>>>   >ability to remove parts of or all of the Board?
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >2. With the exception of Board member removal, do we need legal
>>>>>   >enforceability of can we rely on good faith (and Board member
>>>>>   >removal if you supported that).
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >3. If the final CCWG proposal calls for full legal enforceability,
>>>>>   >is that sufficient reason for the ALAC to not ratify it?
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >Alan
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