<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div><div><div>Hello all,</div><div>I get you point Olivier.</div><div>But our only weapon to gain something in the discussion is to express the possibility that we will not agree.</div><div>If At-Large says, anyhow we will agree, unfortunately we don’t have much forces.</div><div>All the best</div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="rgb(0, 0, 0)"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Sébastien Bachollet</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="rgb(0, 0, 0)"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">+33 6 07 66 89 33</font></font></div><div>Blog: <a href="http://sebastien.bachollet.fr">http://sebastien.bachollet.fr</a>/</div><div>Mail: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri; ">Sébastien Bachollet <<a href="mailto:sebastien@bachollet.com">sebastien@bachollet.com</a>></span></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">De : </span> Olivier Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date : </span> lundi 1 juin 2015 19:07<br><span style="font-weight:bold">À : </span> Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc : </span> ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet : </span> Re: [ALAC] Questions on Accountability Proposals<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
it is exactly for this reason that I selected "No". The
Accountability Process is so important that I would not risk
jeopardizing it for something as unworkable and as unlikely as this.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 31/05/2015 19:29, Alan Greenberg a
écrit :<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:83411716-96d7-4cef-9506-0a48b3357f2d@EXHUB2010-2.campus.MCGILL.CA" type="cite">
Perhaps the logic is similar, but the implications if the ALAC
were to
take such a position an possibly jeopardize the accountability
measures
being adopted and thus the IANA transition are not
insignificant.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 31/05/2015 01:00 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Not exactly opposite,
Alan.
Olivier did qualify his NO response with " I see no particular
harm
in a call for something that will, in practice, likely neither
work, nor ever be used. If we reach the need for legal
enforceability, it means ICANN really is in trouble." which
prompted
my "Well, What's the point.." <br>
<br>
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Alan Greenberg
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Murray, You cannot fully support the comments of Maureen
and Olivier
because they answered exactly oppositely to Q3.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Alan<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>At 31/05/2015 12:15 PM, Murray McKercher wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">
<dd>1. Yes, 2. No 3. Yes<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>I fully support the comments made by Olivier and
Maureen. <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Consensus consultation and transparency provide the
foundation for
democratic process. If ICANN is serious in its
dedication to creating a
democratic global governance system, then commitment to
consensus
consultation and transparency is key. Substantive
movement towards
confrontational legalistic processes may undermine the
strategic goals of
the organisation and the spirit to which the volunteers
are
committed.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Murray McKercher<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd><font face="Arial,Helvetica" size="2">On Saturday,
May 30, 2015 10:14
PM, Alan Greenberg
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> wrote:<br>
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<br>
</dd>
<dd>Yes, No and No.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>At 30/05/2015 10:04 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>>1. Do you believe that failing anything else, we
must have the
<br>
</dd>
<dd>>ability to remove parts of or all of the Board?<br>
</dd>
<dd>><br>
</dd>
<dd>>2. With the exception of Board member removal, do
we need legal
<br>
</dd>
<dd>>enforceability of can we rely on good faith (and
Board member
<br>
</dd>
<dd>>removal if you supported that).<br>
</dd>
<dd>><br>
</dd>
<dd>>3. If the final CCWG proposal calls for full legal
enforceability, <br>
</dd>
<dd>>is that sufficient reason for the ALAC to not
ratify it?<br>
</dd>
<dd>><br>
</dd>
<dd>>Alan<br>
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