[ALAC] Follow-up on the ALAC Advice to the Board regarding PICs

[Holly Raiche]

Okay - so we are not voting.  I also agree with the proposals suggested by Evan - when he manages the time to incorporate the changes, and the changes suggested by Olivier

Holly
On 14 Nov 2014, at 6:54 am, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:

> Thanks Alan, Olivier and Evan,
> 
> I agree with the proposed changes suggested by Olivier.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> León
>> El 13/11/2014, a las 13:44, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> escribió:
>> 
>> OK.
>> 
>> I had thought that once the vote started, the draft being voted on was set
>> in stone.
>> 
>> The changes Olivier suggests are all reasonable. I'm pressed for time today
>> but will try to do the changes.
>> 
>> - Evan
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 November 2014 14:34, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Evan, I believe that all (or most) of the changes that Olivier is
>>> suggesting are cosmetic and do not at all change the intent or meaning of
>>> the statement. If I had more time, I probably would have caught most last
>>> night. Please try to make these changes and I will get it reported (and a
>>> formal note of explanation to the ALAC) when I return in a few hours.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> At 13/11/2014 01:57 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 November 2014 11:28, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>> Dear Alan,
>>> 
>>> thank you for this. I realise that time is of the essence, so will be
>>> short in my comments:
>>> 
>>> 1. This is a formal follow-up Advice from the ALAC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ​Maybe this is hair-splitting, but it is more as background to existing
>>> advice -- caused by the Board's need for more information -- rather than
>>> new independent Advice.
>>> 
>>> ALAC has long had to deal with different classifications of what it votes
>>> on. As this document itself contains no recommended courses of action
>>> itself, I would not call it Advice.​
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As such, when
>>> mentioning names etc. it should be better if a certain level of
>>> formality is upheld. When citing names, please cite the full name:
>>> "The heightened protection measures announced by Fadi, at the start of
>>> ICANN51"
>>> -> The heightened protection measures announced by ICANN President and
>>> CEO Fadi Chehadé, at the start of ICANN51"
>>> ​
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [...other generally-sensible edits ...]​
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ​Believe me, Olivier, given more time there is much that could have been
>>> refined, added, and maybe even taken out. Notably, more time would have
>>> enabled direct answers to the illogical Registry response that PICs can
>>> only be fixed through a PDP (as the PICs themselves were not created by a
>>> PDP).
>>> 
>>> But doing even a usable statement able to actually be effective has been a
>>> fight ​against time, which is the reason the voting period is so
>>> compressed. Similarly, consultation with the gTLD WG was also compressed
>>> (and was not helped when the email thread started by my urgently asking the
>>> WG to review the original draft was hijacked for an unrelated purpose :-P ).
>>> 
>>> The Board is **now** considering its response to our Advice from ICANN51.
>>> To say this "backgrounder" was done expediently is an understatement. In
>>> the time it would take to incorporate your edits (and others that would be
>>> considered), the document will have been rendered nearly useless by not
>>> getting to the Board in time. Your indulgence is appreciated.
>>> 
>>> ​OTOH, if there is anything FACTUALLY (rather than stylistically) wrong
>>> with the doc, that needs addressing.​
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ​- Evan​
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Evan Leibovitch
>> Toronto Canada
>> 
>> Em: evan at telly dot org
>> Sk: evanleibovitch
>> Tw: el56
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