[At-Large] Not my circus, not my monkeys (Was Re: ACCOUNTABILITY Restart)

Jeff Neuman jeff at jjnsolutions.com
Tue Jan 4 01:49:59 UTC 2022

With all due respect Evan, I am not sure that the comments of a few people on the list during a time period when many are on vacation demonstrates the views of the  the At-Large or the ALAC at all.  There is likely a formal process to introduce the issue (as opposed to just on a mailing list).  And I would like to use the process to raise the issue.

If, as you contend, there is little interest, then so be it.  Then it never gets addressed.  But you never know until you start the process.

And again with all due respect, one should never give up on making the organization better even if you are frustrated by our lack of success in the past.  Giving up just doesn’t seem like the right option.


Jeffrey J. Neuman
Founder & CEO
JJN Solutions, LLC
Jeff at JJNSolutions.com

From: Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 6:42:02 PM
To: Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
Cc: Javier Rua <javrua at gmail.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via At-Large <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Not my circus, not my monkeys (Was Re: ACCOUNTABILITY Restart)

Hi Jeff,

You've asked. Nobody's shown interest. OTOH, people have been having a much better time with the tangents this topic has grown. However ... While I can't speak for any other readers here, my response to your repeated demand for attention is one of enthusiastic indifference.

You don't appear to have convinced anyone that ALAC ought to fight your battles. Accountability issues have plagued ICANN for decades, yet you only come here when they impact one of your clients.

IMO, if ALAC is to address accountability, it needs to be systemic and also address ICANN's massive conflict-of-interest problem. I had a lot more to say about why this request bears ignoring, but I deleted it. Just not worth the effort.

- Evan

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 17:28, Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:jeff at jjnsolutions.com>> wrote:
Ok, all this has been a great discussion on Internet Governance theory, but can we bring this back to the subject at hand with respect to accountability and what practical steps we can take to address the accountability issues.

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