[At-Large] [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] Registrants could save lots of money - Verisign Makesthe Case

Linda Kaiser lfkaiser at mac.com
Tue Nov 27 20:29:25 UTC 2018

I think it is time to broaden this discussion to what is going on in the real world of the internet:  Please, please listen to this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zWWJ1BzKgI&t=438s <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zWWJ1BzKgI&t=438s>
Douglas Gabriel used to work for the NSA and Michael McKibben really did invent Facebook.  We all need to understand what is going on and is the best video I know of to make my point.  I think there is a much bigger conversation going on than what we know.  Perhaps it is time to ask who REALLY is in charge here?   Linda 

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Carlton,
> My personal opinion is that the situation is more complex.
> First of all, Macron needed to do something “big” on the international scene to counter the serious domestic drop of popularity. Then, France is not Europe, and the regulatory attitude, although widely spread in Europe, does not make unanimity.
> When I have heard hi speech - that incidentally exceeded by far the allocated time - my first reaction was: Here it comes again, the French “grandeur”. Looking at the rest of the session, it was quite clear that he took off-guard even his minister.
> All this to say that, although I agree with some basic lines of thought in your analysis, I would not sign off that this is a match point. Maybe a set point, if you insist, but not the end of the game.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>> On 27.11.2018, at 19:07, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear Olivier:
>> When Macron framed the European view on IG as opposed to both the "California" and "Chinese models,  I read that as the French way of saying a pox on both houses. 
>> Then he went on to appropriate much of the NetMundial agenda and made the IGF first among equals of the I* entities, to me the European view is settled: regulation under the multilateral umbrella with Europe and surrogates in defining roles. (Maybe a European Under Sec Gen for IGF).
>> Not surprised at all. The aporoach seems to me simply follow the food chain and pass it thru the folks - registries, registrars and domainers - that depend on ICANN.
>> Match point and game.
>> Best,
>> -Carlton
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 12:08 am Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>> Dear Carlton,
>> On 17/11/2018 23:28, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>>> You couldn't make this up as a racket- a perfect one! - and remain at large, pun intended.  Just wish I was hip to it before now.
>> I have heard this accusation from ICANN critics for many years and personally do not subscribe to describe it in such a way.
>> However, in recent times, including speaking to Global IGF and UK IGF participants who were not involved in ICANN, it appears that following President Macron's call for more regulation, many European stakeholders are saying that if ICANN is unable to assume regulation of Registry and Registrar contracts in order to protect consumers, European countries should introduce local legislation to regulate the industry. Sad as it may be, not many people trust ICANN to do anything and more and more consumers consider regulation as a good thing.
>> Kindest regards,
>> Olivier
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