<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think it is time to broaden this discussion to what is going on in the real world of the internet: Please, please listen to this video.<div class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zWWJ1BzKgI&t=438s" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zWWJ1BzKgI&t=438s</a></div><div class="">Douglas Gabriel used to work for the NSA and Michael McKibben really did invent Facebook. We all need to understand what is going on and is the best video I know of to make my point. I think there is a much bigger conversation going on than what we know. Perhaps it is time to ask who REALLY is in charge here? Linda </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 27, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" class="">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">My personal opinion is that the situation is more complex.</div>
<div class="">First of all, Macron needed to do something “big” on the international scene to counter the serious domestic drop of popularity. Then, France is not Europe, and the regulatory attitude, although widely spread in Europe, does not make unanimity.</div>
<div class="">When I have heard hi speech - that incidentally exceeded by far the allocated time - my first reaction was: Here it comes again, the French “grandeur”. Looking at the rest of the session, it was quite clear that he took off-guard even his minister.</div>
<div class="">All this to say that, although I agree with some basic lines of thought in your analysis, I would not sign off that this is a match point. Maybe a set point, if you insist, but not the end of the game.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">When Macron framed the European view on IG as opposed to both the "California" and "Chinese models, I read that as the French way of saying a pox on both houses. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Then he went on to appropriate much of the NetMundial agenda and made the IGF first among equals of the I* entities, to me the European view is settled: regulation under the multilateral umbrella with Europe and surrogates in defining
roles. (Maybe a European Under Sec Gen for IGF).</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Not surprised at all. The aporoach seems to me simply follow the food chain and pass it thru the folks - registries, registrars and domainers - that depend on ICANN.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Match point and game.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 12:08 am Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" class="">ocl@gih.com</a> wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="m_-3979232089101111605moz-cite-prefix">On 17/11/2018 23:28, Carlton Samuels wrote:<br class="">
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You couldn't make this up as a racket- a perfect one! - and remain at large, pun intended. Just wish I was hip to it before now.</div>
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I have heard this accusation from ICANN critics for many years and personally do not subscribe to describe it in such a way.<br class="">
However, in recent times, including speaking to Global IGF and UK IGF participants who were not involved in ICANN, it appears that following President Macron's call for more regulation, many European stakeholders are saying that if ICANN is unable to assume
regulation of Registry and Registrar contracts in order to protect consumers, European countries should introduce local legislation to regulate the industry. Sad as it may be, not many people trust ICANN to do anything and more and more consumers consider
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