[AFRI-Discuss] Fwd: [ALS-Mob-WP] Proposed Bylaw changes

Wed Nov 11 13:10:37 UTC 2020

I feel this email will do us some good. Essentially, our members in ALAC,
so that the general interest of the entire community is put first and not
that of ALAC.
Thank you.
Pastor Peters Omoragbon

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From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020, 10:16
Subject: Re: [ALS-Mob-WP] Proposed Bylaw changes
To: Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, Nadira Alaraj <
nadira.araj at gmail.com>, ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp at icann.org>

Pastor Peters makes some good points, but I have a different opinion about
the process.

If I understood correctly, the ALS-Mob-WP was tasked by ALAC to produce a
set of recommendations. For doing so, it has been populated with resources
coming from each RALO. The WP finished its job - or, according to Pastor
Peters, this phase of the job - and is presenting the result to ALAC. I
believe that we all agree on this.

Where we differ is on the follow up. I believe that ALAC can do many
different things: can accept the recommendations and thank the WP for its
work, can reject the recommendation and decide to move in a different
direction, can evaluate the document and ask the WP to reconvene for
further work, or even other things. But in my opinion the next step is a
decision by ALAC: it is ALAC that has to determine whether the work done is
complete, whether all parties have been given the chance to express their
opinion (which, incidentally, does not mean that their opinion has to be
accepted if it ends up in being a minority opinion), whether the
recommendations are within the given mandate, or else.

So, the practical outcome could well be that the community takes more time
to review the recommendation - better to be late than to be wrong in
matters that affect the basic rules - but this is a decision that ALAC has
to make. I believe that after these two presentations the matter is out of
the hands of the WP and in the capable hands of ALAC. If ALAC decides to
task this WP - or a new one - with the job of going through another cycle
of consultations, this is what will be done. But this is only one of the
many alternatives for ALAC to decide from.

Cheers,
Roberto

On 11.11.2020, at 09:52, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Nadira.
That was the point I was drawing at.
Now yesterday call if I get Alan correctly is for ALAC to accept or
otherwise any proposal or observations made because the work of the WP was
over or completed. Which should not be. Our work would be completed after
the community AND RALOs have made their inputs and proposals for inclusion.
Then we develop a cleaner document representing every interest. The motion
that ALAC set up the WP and such the report is for them to consider is true
but after every interest have been represented. The argument that each RALO
was represented in the WP is not absolute because, after the work, now is
the time for each RALO to geberally look at the document and not take any
decision taken by the WP as final.
It is after inputs have been collated and added that our report goes to
ALAC. I made this point during our calls. I wrote it as a petition. I was
ignored.
Secondly Sebastian made a good proposal yesterday that the community needs
time to properly review the document in line with extant practice in icann.
And so, these two hours call is doing deservice to that practice.
ALAC should not be in a hurry to adopt this document and send to  the board
to adopt.
If the board and ALAC believes in the principle of multistakeholderism from
bottom up and not the other way, then, the community needs time. It is not
the 2wks proposal by Maureen last night. We are not in a hurry. This
document will have a far reaching implications at the end on the future of
icann and the community.
It was also premature for Alan to have sent the draft to the legal team
before the community input even without the knowledge of the WP.

Thank you.
Pastor Peters Omoragbon

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*From:* ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Nadira
Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:01:35 PM
*To:* Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
*Cc:* ALS-Mob-WP <als-mob-wp at icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [ALS-Mob-WP] Proposed Bylaw changes

Dear Alan,
Thank you for our excellent presentation and leading the discussions for
the meeting.
I would like to ask what would be the next step to reflect some of the
comments received from the community.
Jean raised a good point to be consistent in the process of the
accreditation and the withdrawal of the accreditation.

Would be good to have in writing the comments on the suggested WP change of
the bylaws. Because I couldn't follow the discussion. I hope those who
shared these points will raise them on the mailing list.

Best wishes,
Nadira

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 5:41 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

You may recall that we were going to have the proposed Bylaw changes
reviewed by the Office of the General Counsel to make sure they sis
not see any conflicts or other problems.

That has now been done and there have been no red flags raised.

So one more step is done.

Note that two Webinars on the report have been scheduled:

- Tue, 10 Nov 202 at 20:00 UTC (about 16 hours from now)

- Thu, 12 Nov 202 at 13:00 UTC

Your participation in either or both would be welcome.

Alan

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