[NA-Discuss] ATRT Letter from Evan

Garth Bruen gbruen at knujon.com
Mon Jun 10 15:59:16 UTC 2013

Item 8.2 for today:

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From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA] 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:08 PM
To: Evan Leibovitch; Garth Bruen
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Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Cloud Computing a Trapi

I would very much like to see the matter of the ATRT letter brought up at
the meeting tomorrow as I know that I would be in favour of supporting it as
a region.

There seem to have been many things thrown up on the list lately that have
really taken us away from the main focus of the group, which is discussing
policy.  I'm not sure how this has happened but I really think that we need
to get back on track.

I look forward to discussing this on the call tomorrow.


Darlene A. Thompson
CAP Administrator
N-CAP/Department of Education
P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
Phone:  (867) 975-5631
Fax:  (867) 975-5610
dthompson at gov.nu.ca
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[na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan Leibovitch
[evan at telly.org]
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:18 PM
To: Garth Bruen
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Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Cloud Computing a Trapi

On 9 June 2013 10:36, <gbruen at knujon.com> wrote:

> It's up to the poster to define relevance

And if the poster won't, the Chair must -- or declare the topic out of

Maybe one of these days something actually to do with ICANN policy -- rather
than out-of-scope "hey look at this" postings and inactive participants
passing judgement over active ones -- will actually be discussed here. This
is not a general purpose Internet Governance list, and never was. Nor is it
run by Jerry Springer or Joseph McCarthy.

It's easy to bitch an moan about Outreach. But this is not just about
resources, it's about what we ourselves do to lead by example, to show how
welcoming and effective the existing participants are. An outsider's quick
perusal of this list of late offers no incentive for someone to join, just a
cacophony of irrelevancy and McCarthyism. All the fancy brochures in the
world can't mask a record of inaction related to the actual reason we're
supposed to be here.

Now... to try to get things even partially on back on track, I recall NARALO
attention to a letter, signed by myself and a number of other At-Large
members, including Garth, that has been submitted to the
At the last NARALO face to face letter it was suggested that perhaps NARALO
as a body may want to endorse it. I would like to raised the issue again,
with perhaps a vote or consensus on the matter at the next meeting.

- Evan

PS: Please come back, John. It's not all dysfunctional.
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