[lac-discuss-en] [Lacralo-governance] acerca de la declaración jurada para los candidatos a distintas posiciones

[Carlton Samuels]

Dear Sergio:
I have sought to support and give you comfort but regrettably, we have a
misunderstanding of the fundamentals of governance.

You told me that there were concerns raised by unidentified others
regarding conflicts of interest with two members by virtue of funding and
the employment status of one of their leaders.

You said an informal call would suffice as comfort for those others who
raised the issue. You suggested that I come on the call.

Prior to the call I addressed the issues you told me were raised on the
list.  I made it clear there was no conflict of interest by addressing both
issues separately there.

But as a courtesy, I joined the call.

I had every expectation that the end of the call was the end of the query.
It appears I was wrong.

The document you shared actually represents a backdoor process to change
the Rules of Procedure at this stage of an election. As such, it is both
wrong headed and out of order.

I treated the matter as best as I could by speculating this further call
was based on someone invoking Title VII, Section 24 of the RoP. I asked for
the evidence and outlined the process.

You use Eduardo Galaleano as a tag on your emails. Like you, I admire his
words. We wish to avoid a humiliation of our conscience and a violation of
our common sense.

Sincerely,
Carlton Samuels

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*Carlton A Samuels*

*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
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On Tue, 16 May 2023 at 15:27, Sergio Salinas Porto <
presidencia at internauta.org.ar> wrote:

> Querido Carlton, este documento es solo un documento borrador para
> discutirlo entre todos, por eso se envió al grupo de gobernanza, quien es
> la encargada de ver y revisar estas cuestiones.
> No hay necesidad de enviar emails con ese tono a la lista.
> Solo tómese el tiempo (si usted dispone de él) para leerlo y hacerle
> aportes si usted entiende que falta algo que agregar.
> Creo que ha mal interpretado el aporte que hicimos con Vanda para poder
> avanzar hacia un lugar de claridad, fue tiempo personal que aportamos a la
> región, quizas usted haya hecho otro documento y quiera compartirlo con
> nosotros, creo que sería muy bien recibido por toda la region.
> Le reitero, creo que usted está teniendo una mala lectura de esto.
> Los procesos que hemos hecho hasta ahora han sido transparentes, en ningún
> momento se han realizado procesos opacos.
> Un fuerte abrazo
>
> *Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter:  sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra *
>
> * conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano*
>
>
>
> El mar, 16 may 2023 a las 16:32, Carlton Samuels (<
> carlton.samuels at gmail.com>) escribió:
>
>> What do we have here? *Neither the Governance WG nor any cabal of ALS
>> was given the task or was delegated or has an inherent right to produce
>> this document.*
>>
>> *There is no authority delegated to this WG to demand its execution by
>> any member.*
>>
>> The official document is already filed and until such time as the ALS is
>> decertified, there is no other process that can delegitimize the ALS.
>>
>> Let's cease and desist with this attempt  at the star chamber process.
>> This is like putting lipstick on a pig in the hope the pig is
>> misidentified.
>>
>> This is hopelessly wrong. It is null and void, without any claim to
>> validity under the current RoP.
>>
>> Carlton Samuels
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==============================
>> *Carlton A Samuels*
>>
>> *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
>> Turnaround*
>> =============================
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 13:07, Sergio Salinas Porto via Lacralo-governance
>> <lacralo-governance at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Queridos compañeros, les envío este documento para su pronta revisión
>>> realizado por Vanda y por mi a fin de que pueda ser completado por todos
>>> los candidatos conforme hemos quedado en nuestra última reunión.
>>> Pido disculpas por solo estar en español, pero se que con un traductor
>>> en línea podrá ser traducido por aquellos de habla inglesa.
>>> Pido celeridad en su revisión para poder enviarlo al cuerpo de
>>> traductores y luego ser puesto a disposición de nuestros compañeros
>>> candidatos.
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>
>>> *Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter:  sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra *
>>>
>>> * conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano*
>>>
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