[lac-discuss-en] An Alternative to the EMM model proposed in the At-Large Review

[Dev Anand Teelucksingh]

Thanks Bartlett.
To respond to your questions, as I see it :
- a virtual ALS / At-Large Chapter would have to select/elect
representatives within the Virtual ALS to represent the At-Large Chapter in
the RALO affairs. I was suggesting that given that the online aspects of
the virtual ALS/At-Large chapter could be done by ICANN (such as mailing
lists, online conferencing, website hosting, online voting, At-Large wiki
accounts), then there would be little need to formally register an
organisation in a country that would have to then pay taxes. Not that a
virtual ALS wouldn't have rules.
- Persons in the At-Large chapter would be eligible to participate in
At-Large or run for positions in At-Large. For positions in At-Large, such
persons can be nominated by any At-Large Chapter in the RALO and the RALO
then votes with each At-Large chapter having a vote in the RALO if
consensus in the RALO can't be achieved. An At-Large chapter should have
consensus as to who it wants to support, but if not, worse case, there can
be an election process within the At-Large chapter as to who the chapter
will support.
- Individuals wanting to join At-Large Working Groups would be encouraged
to join the At-Large Chapter in their country if they want to be considered
to be selected to represent the RALO and to better collaborate with other
like minded persons in their country involved in At-Large. Given the ease
of joining, there would be less reason for an individual not to join an
At-Large Chapter

Dev Anand

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Bartlett Morgan <me at bartlettmorgan.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> My initial thoughts on this alternative model:
>
>
>
> If we are speaking of fundamentals as the starting point for a discussion,
> I do not agree that the notion of an ALS – as currently applied - is
> *fundamental* to the work of At-Large. In the broader scheme of things, the
> only fundamental, in my humble opinion, is the representation of the
> end-user’s interests. (This is not a hard and fast view and I would welcome
> contrary views to expand my thinking on it)
>
>
>
> With that as a starting point, I don’t find much fault with the idea of
> creating a single focal point in each jurisdiction from which the views of
> end-users can be gauged (for policy inputs etc) and outreach can be done.
>
>
>
> That said, I suspect that the finer details will need some more
> fine-tuning. For e.g.:
>
> ·         If the current proposal is to dispense with formalities like
> by-laws does this also, implicitly mean that each Virtual ALS (VALS) would
> have no formal local leadership?
>
> ·         How would the implementation of the VALS impact one’s ability
> to run for a position within At-Large – would the status quo remain or
> would that person have to be nominated by the VALS within the country of
> origin?
>
> ·         How, if at all, would the VALS concept impact on the current
> process of individuals joining At-Large/ICANN working groups?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Bartlett D. Morgan
>
>
>
> *From:* lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Dr.
> Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 11:35 AM
> *To:* Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>; LACRALO discussion list <
> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] An Alternative to the EMM model proposed
> in the At-Large Review
>
>
>
> Dev,
>
>
>
> the proposed model of "ICANN At-Large Chapters" in each country is a step
> towards a membership-based ICANN, which is a no-go.
>
>
>
> It is a top-down model that creates new organizations instead of bringing
> together existing organizations. This is troublesome in itself and also
> negates the "Web of Trust" model which lies at the foundation of At-Large
> representation. I consider that this model is still important and that the
> "At-Large Chapters" model is not an improvement.
>
>
>
> I understand from your note that each country would have a single Chapter.
> Is that correct?
>
>
>
> Again that is not what the Rotary or ISOC do. While ISOC prefers a single
> chapter per country, large, diverse countries like India or Canada have
> more than one. And certainly Rotary have numerous clubs, sometimes even
> more than one in a single city.
>
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Dev Anand
> Teelucksingh [devtee at gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 06 de febrero de 2017 06:26
> *Hasta:* LACRALO discussion list
> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] An Alternative to the EMM model proposed in
> the At-Large Review
>
> I sent this in December last year to the LACRALO members of the At-Large
> Review Party. It outlines an alternative to the proposed EMM model in the
> At-Large Review.
>
> Dev Anand
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Dev Anand Teelucksingh* <devtee at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 5:19 PM
> Subject: Response to the draft At-Large Review document - please consider
> and forward to the ITEMS or discuss in the At-Large review call
> To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>, Alberto Soto <
> asoto at ibero-americano.org>, Aida Noblia <aidanoblia at gmail.com>, Carlton
> Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>, Vanda UOL <vanda at uol.com.br>, Holly
> Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Since time is short, I want to focus on the proposed EMM in the draft
> At-Large Review.
>
> My thoughts - The proposed EMM has flaws. Some immediate ones :
>
> - it destroys the community and with that, the consensus building of
> community with replacement
> of individuals with even less ties to the public community. Such
> individuals will promote and collude with other individuals to keep
> themselves in the loop. Also, with many of the policy discussions in GNSO
> being English, this permanently eliminates persons from developing/emerging
> economies from non-English from ever participating.
> - given that any individual could already participate in GNSO, we would be
> no different from such random individuals
>
> - it removes the mandate on oversight and accountability on ICANN
> activities from end user interests
>
> - a thousand individuals in one large country will override 10 individuals
> from a small country  so there will be less diversity in the EMM model only
> from those countries with large number of  individuals.
> - Nomcom appointees to ALAC new to ICANN will serve as Liasions to other
> groups is not sensible
>
>
>
> There are many more problems but I want to focus on a IMO a better
> At-Large model than the EMM one:
>
> - ICANN establishes At-Large Chapters in each country similiar in concept
> to Rotary or ISOC chapters.
>
> - each chapter is open to anyone interested in ICANN from the interests of
> end users.
>
> - ICANN can set guidelines for each chapter - some examples: must do
> certain level of outreach, have term limits, have a public F2F awareness
> meeting to recruit new persons. ICANN would need to provide some funding to
> make this happen but this would be small and the chapters can account to
> ICANN for expenses.
>
> - ICANN can provide the tools (mailing lists, conference tools) to
> facilitate online discussions.
>
> - Because there is a consistent brand - At-Large Chapter in the country,
> marketing/promoting is
> greatly simplified and easier to explain.
>
> - Given that such chapters are virtual, it makes chapters easy to
> establish with only a few individuals from a country without the challenges
> of having formal organisations with bylaws and pay taxes.
>
>
> So an At-Large chapter ends up being a virtual ALS in each country in the
> ALAC/RALO/ALS model.
>
> The RALOs will consist of the chapters from each country in the region
> with each chapter electing two persons to coordinate the RALO work. The
> RALO will be better positioned to better fulfil its MOUs with ICANN and the
> RALO and ALAC would not have to bother with analysing whether an
> organisation meets the criteria of an ALS.
>
> The At-Large chapters will be better able to network with At-Large
> chapters in other countries and build consensus on policy issues and help
> promote and grow the At-Large Community.
>
> Dev Anand
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