[lac-discuss-en] Process to be Followed for LACRALO ALAC Member Poll / Process to follow for LACRALO ALAC Member Survey

Tue Jul 28 19:14:12 UTC 2015

Dev, I should have consulted you before I reacted since you'd have
corrected the details.

Yes,  you are correct.  The Staff calculations are wrong because they are
premised on misunderstanding of facts.  And, a misinterpretation of the
process.

The first act after nomination closed is a consensus call for the sole
nominee.  If that call is quorate and no objection, the sole nominee is
[s]elected.

If a member objects, that member must do so in writing and invoke the
extended UNGA Rules by way of RoP 18.1.

One or more members must have asked for a roll call to verify that the
member from DevNet - as sole nominee - is what the group wants. There was a
lot of time elapsed between the nomination period and this poll.  And I may
not have been fully attentive and missed the mail where a member objected
and requested the poll.  I would advise the member from DevNet to request
an audit for verification.

So now, to the poll.

The requirement for those that say 'NO', meaning a consensus does not
exist, is they MUST demonstrate they are in the majority.  And it must be
the entire membership on which those calculations must be based.

An online vote assumes all members are present. The rationale for holding
the poll over 7 days is to ensure all members have time to respond.

Starting with the entire membership, the "NO" votes can only prevail if it
is *50% + 1* *of the entire membership*.  That is the ONLY threshold that
can set aside a valid sole nomination under the rules that are being
invoked.  I would strongly advise the member from DevNet to insist on his
rights under the rules.

I was born and socialised to reject patience as a virtue. For it usually is
the call of those who would rob and pillage your birthright, like freedom.
So I am not given to being patient with cant.

I am just weary of it.

-Carlton Samuels

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Actually, not just abstentions, but all of the ALSes in LACRALO should be
> counted since the poll was extended to all ALSes in LACRALO. Thus, any
> majority calculations has to be based on the total number of ALSes in
> LACRALO which is 47.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Dev Anand
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Carlton Samuels <
> carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's where the translation/interpretation may be getting problematic.
>>
>> It appears we are trying to follow the process as laid out in 2008.  OK.
>>
>> Since I was there and initiated it, I know already what happened here is
>> flawed.
>>
>> But, we will wait and see.
>>
>> An abstention IS and MUST be interpreted as a formal action and, a
>> definite response to the poll.  So abstentions may not be excluded from the
>> response set.
>>
>> Abstentions MUST be accounted as responses.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> -Carlton Samuels
>>
>>
>> ==============================
>> Carlton A Samuels
>> Mobile: 876-818-1799
>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>> =============================
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:37 PM, <staff at atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>>>
>>>  Subject: Process to be Followed for LACRALO ALAC Member Poll / Process
>>> to follow for LACRALO ALAC Member Survey
>>>  From: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>>>
>>>
>>>  After VERSION ENGLISH VERSION OF Espaola
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>  Please see below a note sent On Behalf Of Being Alberto Soto, Chair of
>>> LACRALO, and Humberto Carrasco, Secretary of LACRALO.
>>>
>>>
>>>  **
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dear All,
>>>  In advance of the results of the current poll on whether or not Lance
>>> Hinds Should be confirmed as the Representative from 2015-2017 LACRALO
>>> ALAC, we would like to September out the methodology to be used in
>>> Determining the results.
>>>
>>>
>>>  If a majority (more than 50%) of people responding to the poll, NOT
>>> counting abstentions, have Indicated NO, then a the selection process for
>>> the ALAC seat Cambronero Currently occupied by Fatima will be Restarted
>>> with a new call for nominations.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds as LACRALO ALAC Member for
>>> 2015-2017 is confirmed.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>  Alberto and Humberto
>>>
>>>
>>>  **
>>>  Kind Regards,
>>>  At-Large Staff
>>>
>>>
>>>  **
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>  Encontrarn down estsiendo sent a note on behalf of Alberto Soto,
>>> President of LACRALO and Humberto Carrasco, Secretary of LACRALO.
>>>
>>>
>>>  **
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>  In advance of the results of the recent survey on the confirmation of
>>> Lance Hinds as the representative of LACRALO to ALAC for the period
>>> 2015-2017, quisiramos establish the methodology to be used to determine the
>>> results.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not
>>> counting abstentions, said NO, then the selection process for the ALAC seat
>>> currently occupied by Cambronero serreiniciado to Fatima through a new call.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Otherwise, the nomination of Lance for ALAC for the period 2015-2017
>>> serconfirmada.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Alberto and Humberto
>>>
>>>
>>>  **
>>>  Sincerely,
>>>  At-Large
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Peregrine and Terri Agnew
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