[lac-discuss-en] legality of the process.
crg at isoc-cr.org
crg at isoc-cr.org
Fri Jul 24 17:21:52 UTC 2015
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Subject: Re: legality of the process.
From: crg at isoc-cr.org
Dear Vanda,
Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT
A hug
Ral Carlos Gutierrez
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda at etges.com.br wrote:
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> Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso.
> Desde: vanda at etges.com.br
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> Queridos amigos.
> Estoy mucho más preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para proceder con esta elección, ya después del proceso inicial - empezamos siguiendo el proceso original - que ya está cerrado?
> Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro.
> O le gustaría que alguien del personal para darnos una declaración clara al respecto.
> gracias
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> Vanda
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>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of interest.
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>> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
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>> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division."
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>> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs?
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>> Regards,
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>> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
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>> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
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>> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman and its representative to LACRALO.
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>> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
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>> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
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>> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN system - just looks delusional for some of us.
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>> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing or other.
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>> -Carlton
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx <mailto:apisan at unam.mx>> wrote:
>> Carlton,
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>> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
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>> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
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>> Alejandro Pisanty
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>> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>]
>> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
>> Hasta: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
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>> CC: Albert Daniels
>> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
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>> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
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>> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
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>> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
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>> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
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>> Definitions of bullshit
>> noun
>> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>> verb
>> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
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>> ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
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>> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
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>> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
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>> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
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>> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
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>> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
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>> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
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>> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
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>> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
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>> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
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>> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
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>> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
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>> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
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>> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
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>> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
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>> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
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>> Go figure.
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>> -Carlton Samuels
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