[lac-discuss-en] legality of the process.

Sat Jul 25 10:46:42 UTC 2015

They are clear and transparent. Whether they are followed or not...  see
the analysis here and check the link for the RoP sections that are
referenced.
http://atlarge.icann.org/en/node/1793

Sincerely
Jacqueline

Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:

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>  Subject: Re: legality of the process.
>  From: crg at isoc-cr.org
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>  Dear Vanda,
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>  Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT
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>  A hug
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>  Ral Carlos Gutierrez
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> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda at etges.com.br wrote:
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> > Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso.
> > Desde: vanda at etges.com.br
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> > Queridos amigos.
> > Estoy mucho más preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para
> proceder con esta elección, ya después del proceso inicial - empezamos
> siguiendo el proceso original - que ya está cerrado?
> > Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto
> el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro.
> > O le gustaría que alguien del personal para darnos una declaración clara
> al respecto.
> > gracias
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> > Vanda
> > Polo Consultores Associados
> > TI-Trend Consulting
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> > 01311-200 - São Paulo - SP - Brasil
> > Fone: +55.11.3266.6253
> > Celular: +55.11.9.8137.1464
> > Skype: vanda.scartezini
> > e-mail: vanda at scartezini.org
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> >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of
> interest.
> >>
> >> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile :
> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto <
> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
> >>
> >> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and
> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for
> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of
> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New
> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium
> Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division."
> >>
> >> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in
> LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of
> Small and Medium Entrepreneurs?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <
> carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric.
> And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
> >>
> >> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
> >>
> >> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus
> with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the
> Chairman and its representative to LACRALO.
> >>
> >> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide.  DevNet
> thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as Guyana's version
> Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
> >>
> >> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of
> his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He derives
> his income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES NOT
> get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
> >>
> >> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to
> have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say that
> Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when
> he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN
> system - just looks delusional for some of us.
> >>
> >> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one
> thing or other.
> >>
> >> -Carlton
> >>
> >>
> >> ==============================
> >> Carlton A Samuels
> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
> >> =============================
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
> apisan at unam.mx <mailto:apisan at unam.mx>> wrote:
> >> Carlton,
> >>
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> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the
> election was in course.
> >>
> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
> >>
> >> Alejandro Pisanty
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> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> >> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM
> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> >>
> >> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD
> >>
> >> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃ‰XICO SMS +525541444475
> <tel:%2B525541444475>
> >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/>
> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty <
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty>
> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 <
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614>
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty>
> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/>
> >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> >>
> >> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:
> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [
> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:
> lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton
> Samuels [carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>]
> >> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
> >> Hasta: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:
> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >>
> >> CC: Albert Daniels
> >> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
> At-Large Staff
> >>
> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is
> debilitating.
> >>
> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what
> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
> >>
> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just
> too much and I must break my silence.
> >>
> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
> >>
> >> Definitions of bullshit
> >> noun
> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
> >> verb
> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
> >>
> >>
> >> â€‹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large
> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
> >>
> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
> repeat it here for effect.
> >>
> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and
> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all
> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected.
> â€‹
> >>
> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
> >>
> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election
> process into question.
> >>
> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come
> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a
> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the
> first place!
> >>
> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for
> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
> >>
> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk
> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
> >>
> >> Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
> >>
> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated
> unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for
> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single
> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
> important ICANN councils.
> >>
> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris
> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do
> then.
> >>
> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.  And
> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance
> Hinds.
> >>
> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
> >>
> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now
> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety'
> raised!
> >>
> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
> asleep at the switch.
> >>
> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
> operating conditions are applied.
> >>
> >> Go figure.
> >>
> >> -Carlton Samuels
> >>
> >> ==============================
> >> Carlton A Samuels
> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
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