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Subject: Re:? = Iso-8859-1 q = ACCREDITATION F3n_de_ISOC_Venezuela =?
From: vanda at uol.com.br
Humberto acurdo. The open site allows whoever put your
APRA consideracin ALAC comments. Hugs
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On 4/30/14 6:31, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear:
>
> The truth is that the email exchange was so intense that
> My is impossible to put them all in the WIKI.
>
> Because of this, it podrseguir not. If you want
> Opinin consideration by ALAC when the time comes to decide,
> Put their arguments and opinions in this direction:
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+ALS+App
> Polycation ISOC + + +198 Venezuela
>
> The maximum period for comment is to the May 5, 2014.
>
> Greetings
>
> Dear all:
>
> The truth Is that the exchange of emails has been so intense That it
> Becomes impossible for me to put all of them in the WIKI.
>
> Because of this, I can not keep doing it. If you want that your opinion
> Is Deemed by by ALAC at the moment of taking the decision, Please,
> Place your arguments and opinions In this direction:
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+ALS+App
> Polycation ISOC + + +198 Venezuela
>
> The deadline for comments is to the 5th May, 2014.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> El 30/04/2014 3:24 a.m., eduardo at mendez.net.ve wrote:
Erick >> Regards,
>>
No >> go far, authoritarianism could also not be taken into
>> Account to a group of people
>> That on the basis of arguments vlidos express their discomfort or
Rejection >> about certain decision.I think I just
>> Line with the spirit of openness and diversity of this community
>> Is to develop a small study to collect so believable and
Determining >> whether this or any other chapter has AllDel ms
Single speech >> to assume the great responsibility of representation of
Internet >> citizens in a country.
>>
In all this time >> only been made value judgments yet
An >> I see no information on: isoc.org.ve (7 years of lethargy
>>) And isocvenezuela.org (newly registered)
>>
>> Frankly, it is so difficult to maintain a web site and lists
>> Email? requires large sources of funding to sustain the
>> Effort? It is contradictory that an organization such as ISOC-VE
>> Dismiss these spaces to establish a meeting point
Needed >> with users in the country?
>>
>> The benefit of the doubt in this case is in my opinion a compromise
>> Diversity and freedom that you mention.
>>
>>
>>
>> El 04/29/2014 17:14, Erick Iriarte wrote:
Sergio >>>
>>>
>>> Have never thought of you cheating or putting messages to
Step >>> the stick, I've always thought that you discuss in the clearest
Democrtico >>> spirit; asque if you say I have trodden the stick is that
You have created >>> traps.
>>>
On my >>> action CONATEL assistance, your own government, has
Been >>> assistance because they were part of the ccTLD. Seen as part of my
LACTLD >>> function in, sorry if you miscarry speech, my government
Venezuelan >>> has not paid me (if you?).
>>>
On my defense >>> ISOC Venezuela, it is quite clear my position
>>> Several months, several years ago and mostly quite some time,
>>> Against all forms of authoritarianism in any instance; by
Both >>> restrict access to an area not institucina
Discriminatory >>> is an action of discrimination. And it is unfortunate that
Come >>> your pro-government position.
>>>
Shun the phrase >>> No, I said directly, ISOC Venezuela this
Formed by >>> users and individuals, being as their activities
Complementary >>> are not relevant because but in your own data:
Http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Sergio_Bronstein >>> where it says "Mr.
Also works for >>> Bronstein CDNTV's Marketing and Communications,
I >>> also invalidate ALAC to participate.
>>>
On >>> epithets, you give them to people who do not are present.
>>>
Greetings and good living >>>
>>>
Erick >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/04/2014, at 18:06, Sergio Bronstein
>>> <bronstein.sergio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
Qubueno >>>> you've stepped on the stick ...
>>>>
And since >>>> discriminator and accused me violator of rights
Human >>>> I look at liberty to ask if you closed position
ISOC help >>>> in Venezuela is about to defend a ms
>>>> Client for whom you have worked for your position by
>>>> Democracy. They've done that also consultants for the state
Venezuelan >>>> (Conatel) Serpor your Democratism or "bussiness are
Bussiness >>>> ".
>>>>
ALAC >>>> is not a space for entrepreneurs but for users, this is
The central element >>>> which you must discuss and not hide with
>>>> Accusations that have nothing to do with the subject in one cuestin.En
Debate is very easy >>>> try to discredit the opponent or detracting
Adjetivndolo >>>> "That's antidemocrtico, not plural, does not believe in
>>>> Private property, wants to take away parental rights, the
>>>> Cars, properties, etc.., Etc.. ". Qupena you've used a
Primary resource >>>> san!
>>>>
Erik >>>> But, you ests fleeing the central debate: BE OR NOT ADMITTED
ALAC >>>> IN AN ORGANIZATION COMPOSED SO DECLARED BY
EMPLOYERS >>>>? And in my opinion, that's ISOC Venezuela and what you
Propose to >>>> region is we verify if this is aso if I
Wrong >>>> and, pending that the decision posterguemos
>>>>
Neither >>>> ms or less. If we agree with this we can begin
Sincere >>>> serious debate, without epithets or meanness.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
Sergio >>>> Bronstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
The >>>> April 29, 2014, 17:44, Erick Iriarte
>>>> <eiriarte at alfa-redi.org> wrote:
Ah Sergio >>>>
>>>>
Now >>>> better understand your Spanish, in terms of internet
Who manage >>>> is administered, and no doubt your fear is
Impossible >>>> in a government model that is increasingly private
The lesser to >>>> commons.
>>>>
I >>>> is absolutely clear with your message, which again is not a
Target >>>> issue, but from your subjective difference as a supporter of
One ideology >>>> not considered appropriate that someone of ideology
Different from yours >>>> can participate in a space that I inform you
Ledo >>>> if you have not, have not any discrimination.
>>>>
Being as >>>> the discrimination by politician, cultural character or
Religious >>>> that might arise is contrary to human rights, and
Democracy >>>>; if you keep your position clear to me is more than clear
Your >>>> action is discriminatory and politico character.
>>>>
Greetings >>>>
>>>>
Erick >>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
The >>>> 04.29.2014, at 17:07, Sergio Bronstein
>>>> <bronstein.sergio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
The phrase >>>>> causconfusiones escriby that is this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "From what I understand, Cavedatos, the chamber of
ICT entrepreneurs >>>>> has long been managing the
Administration >>>>> domains Venezuela currently
Travs >>>>> managed at a state institution the Commission
National Telecommunications >>>>> (Conatel) "
>>>>>
The meaning of >>>>> what I mean is clear: According to the
>>>>> Information I have, what people want is Cavedatos
Keep >>>>> the administration of domains that hits today
Venezuelan state >>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is in this sense that I propose will be postponed until the decision
>>>>> We can verify the transparency of the applicant and not rush
A decision >>>>> that may cause us problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
Sergio >>>>> Bronstein
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
The >>>>> April 29, 2014, 17:23, Sergio Bronstein
>>>>> <bronstein.sergio at gmail.com> wrote:
Again >>>>>?
NO >>>>> I managed that, but I was managing to do so.
>>>>>
Quiztu >>>>> everyday language is not Castilian. I'll explain in another
>>>>> Words, was trying to (managing) keep a business
Estbajo >>>>> today the administration of the Venezuelan state.
>>>>>
>>>>> A good listener, few words.
>>>>>
Ms >>>>> greetings,
Sergio >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 April 2014 17:14, Erick Iriarte
>>>>> <eiriarte at alfa-redi.org> wrote:
>>>>>
Sergio >>>>>
>>>>>
Will >>>>> again, where do you get that Cavedatos administered domains
>>>>> In Venezuela?
>>>>>
I copy >>>>> table IANA. Sees
>>>>>
Sponsoring Organisation >>>>>
>>>>>
National Telecommunications Commission >>>>> (CONATEL)
Veracruz >>>>> Av, Bldg CONATEL, Las Mercedes
Miranda Caracas 1060 >>>>>
>>>>> Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic Of
Administrative Contact >>>>>
>>>>>
Mr. Jess Rivera >>>>>
National Telecommunications Commission >>>>> (CONATEL)
Veracruz >>>>> Av, BldgCONATEL, Las Mercedes
Miranda Caracas 1060 >>>>>
>>>>> Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic Of
>>>>> Email: jrivera at conatel.gob.ve
>>>>> Voice: +58 212 9090466
>>>>> Fax: +58 212 9936794
Technical Contact >>>>>
>>>>>
Support Technician >>>>>
National Telecommunications Commission >>>>> (CONATEL)
Veracruz >>>>> Av, Bldg CONATEL, Las Mercedes
Miranda Caracas 1060 >>>>>
>>>>> Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic Of
>>>>> Email: soportenicve at conatel.gob.ve
>>>>> Voice: +58 212 9090435
>>>>> Fax: +58 212 9090329
>>>>>
>>>>> Please tell me where in any part CAVEDATOS says.
>>>>>
Erick >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
The >>>>> 04.29.2014, at 16:39, Sergio Bronstein
>>>>> <bronstein.sergio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I never said that. Afirmque Cavedatos was managing the
Domain >>>>>> administration in Venezuela, that he did not
>>>>>> Ever.
>>>>>>
Central >>>>>> But our view is that anyone who claims to be
Venezuela >>>>>> ISOC president is also "life" President
The camera >>>>>> business of Tics (Cavedatos) sector and, in this
Sense is incompatible with >>>>>> assume the representation of
>>>>>> Users. O defends users or profits from them, nor
Ms >>>>>> no less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
Sergio >>>>>> Bronstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 April 2014 15:58, Erick Iriarte
>>>>>> <eiriarte at alfa-redi.org> wrote:
Sergio >>>>>>
>>>>>>
Cavedatos >>>>>> an important precision has never been
Administration >>>>>> domains Venezuela, has gone from
REACCIUN >>>>>> to CNTI and now CONATEL. That's important xq your
>>>>>> Argument is based on incorrect information.
>>>>>>
Greetings >>>>>>
>>>>>>
Erick >>>>>>
>>>>>>
The >>>>>> 29.04.2014, at 15:03, Sergio Bronstein
>>>>>> <bronstein.sergio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good afternoon to everyone s
>>>>>>> Really ISOC theme Venezuela has to do more with
Interests >>>>>>
>>>>>>> That right or justice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I understand, Cavedatos, the chamber of
Of entrepreneurs >>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICT has long been managing the administration of
The >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Domains to Travs Venezuela currently are managed in a
>>>>>>> State institution the National Telecommunications Commission
>>>>>>> (Conatel).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And this theme is central, because the "lifetime" president
This camera >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Businesswoman is mr.Holmquist, who never tires of repeating that
Is >>>>>>
ISOC president >>>>>>> Venezuela (did recently in a
Interview >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Issued by CNN).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my view, this should become a test case for
Our >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Organization, no question of discrimination but of roles
Institutional >>>>>>> that we cherish, we are going in this life
Our >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Organization. We can not allow employers masquerade
User >>>>>>
>>>>>>> To continue profiting from them. If they pave the way
In Lacralo >>>>>>
ISOC >>>>>>> Venezuela, through the enormous resources
Entrepreneurs >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cavedatos, will have a position of dominance over
Organization and will put >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously risk our future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, if the subject causes so much controversy, culture will
The reason for >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Give income now and not wait to estformalmente
And constituted >>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can properly evaluate your goals and members. In this
>>>>>> Case,
>>>>>>> Definitely good counselor because if we give the login and then
Checked >>>>>>
>>>>>>> We made a mistake, shoot it down will be very difficult.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As indicated, the position of our organization is the
No income >>>>>>
ISOC >>>>>>> of Venezuela
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hugs,
Sergio >>>>>>> Bronstein
President >>>>>>>
Venezuela Internauta >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On April 29, 2014, 10:11, Natalia Enciso
>>>>>>> <natalia.enciso at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on the criterion of web-of-trust used for
Approval >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ALS, supporting the approval of ISOC VENEZUELA.
>>>>>>>> I know several of the members with whom I could share in
And the LACIGF >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IGF last year. They are young boys, students,
Advocates >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Freedom of expression among others. Are doing a great
Work >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ESTN involved in Internet Governance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the criteria relate to a company because
>>>>>> One of its
>>>>>>>> Is a staff member of that company, I do not like a
>>>>>> Valid criterion. Already
>>>>>>>> The charges are temporary and do not take a decision
One person >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the referee is a Board of Directors or Board. The NGO
Has >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jurdica personera distinct from its members or associates.
No >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Can be equated to that of a physical person. The deciciones the
Takes >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or directory depending on its statutes the General Assembly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>'s My opinion.
>>>>>>>>
Natalia >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 April 2014 10:23, Antonio Gómez Medina
>>>>>>>> <amedinagomez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Buenos das.
>>>>>>>>> The Colombian Association of Internet Users give their vote
Favor >>>>>>
ISOC request >>>>>>>>> Venezuela
>>>>>>>>>
Regards >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -
Antonio Gómez Medina >>>>>>>>>
President >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Colombian Association of Internet Users
Presidencia at acui.co >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @ Amedinagomez
Skype >>>>>>>>> amedinagomez
Cell 3118689626 >>>>>>>>>
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