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 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

 Please can someone translate the inglsa Rok, to stop 
 free offend? 
 Rok, may reduce your feedback please without words 
 offensive? Do not know the right way, without offending? If you do not know 
 do so, shall do ... 


 Alberto Soto 


 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of 
 rok at bango.org.bb 
 Posted on: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 a.m. 
 To lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? == 
 Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = 




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 Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q?Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? == 
 Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = 
 From: rok at bango.org.bb 


 Jose, 




 I have problems in Translation but from what I understand to mean, 
 this is my answer: 




 You did make a decision that is not really yours. Unable 
 determine that a candidate does not meet the requirements when 
 ample evidence in the rules suggests that the applicant meets the 
 requirements. A decisin decisin is in one way or another. Is a 
 cuestin of 
 tratde opininy to impose their view. If one rules Quera 
 President for execution decisions that have written in the 
 same 
 explaining how the administrative role of the secrete. If a 
 estahno rule can not assume that you can carry out this 
 function. 




 The rules are very clear and can not be attributed to a role smismo 
 this is 
 hay.Hay not a reason for quel President has no executive 
 estclaro paper and from the rules that the reason for this is not as, 
 this is 
 action because the rules for all members to participate in the 
 take 
 making. This is very consistent with the spirit of the rules. Ques 


 inconsistent with the rules is that a person can not make a decision 
 on 
 names of all members of LACRALO and therefore, in the absence of 
 to make such provisions decisin especficas, you exceed your 
 limits, if you do. In such Accin law called "Vires 
 Ultra ". 




 How can be a mistake to let the members decide? You're saying 
 that 
 members are not competent to make this decision? Or are you afraid of 
 that 
 most Humberto decided that meets the requirement, which is what 
 you do not want?Do not you trust most to make the decision 
 correct? 




 Now this is a problem. You are not "president". You 
 is President. Use 
 president's word is misleading and can not assume that because you 
 are President to have the entire executive branch. His role as 
 President writes to the operating principles of LACRALO 
 Paragraph 4: 




 "Its functions include, inter alia, to establish a link 
 between 
 ALAC discussions and contributions made by the region, representing 
 The ALAC region in face to face meetings and lead discussions of 


 Assembly held through discussion lists, teleconferences and 
 face to face 
 meetings. " 




 No decision here, except in chairing meetings. Despite 
 their role as 
 emissary lets not take any decision or declare any LACRALO


 positions that were not approved by the members of LACRALO. It seems 
 clear 
 to me that the rules are written in this way because it LACRALO 
 based on the total 
 participation, which is a fundamental aspect of democracy. Also 
 mean 
 ICANN and LACRALO not want any decision of a single man. It 
 established 
 inputs for wide. This is consistent with the form in 
 ICANN operates (looking 
 the contributions of users) and obviously was established LACRALO 
 this 
 spirit. According to the rules, this is not a one man show. 
 It is a 
 collective operation. Let us therefore respect the rules and not 
 mock the 
 rules to do what a man wants to be. 




 To use the preferred term, there is no "power" in the hands of the 


 President, all the power is in the hands of the members 
 collectively. The 
 rules are very clear on this point.As a member I will not LACRALO 
 sit and let you make a record that goes against the spirit 
 of 
 LACRALO or ICANN that were created with the specific purpose of gathering 
 opinions of users to influence policy 
 ICANN. 




 Let me say here that the Secretariat is provided with all the power 
 executive 
 given powers and this is limited to the administration, while the 
 President 
 has no executive powers whatsoever. Once again the role of 
 organization is the 
 reason for this, because even the Secretariat can not take such a decision. 
 I 
 therefore suggest that you familiarize yourself with the rules for 
 avoid a repeat of this kind of debacle. Also suggest that the 
 members 
 made the rules were not hallucinating or drunk in the 
 time, 
 knew exactly what they were doing and they wrote exactly 
 how 
 wanted the organization to manage.The "power" of LACRALO 
 is in the 
 Assembly and specifies what constitutes the Assembly. 




 South Korea 




 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com 
 Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:59 
 A: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = 
 F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = 








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 Subject: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_Clar F3n_de_la_Regi =? == 
 Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = 
 From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com 




 Dear, 
















 Just to clarify the situation so far seems confused about 
 of 
 the issue of implementation of ALAC, briefly discuss the situation 


 raised. 
















 1) Most of you have spoken out against what 
 The president's decision drew. I have that first error. Never 
 decisin take some text and copy the last paragraph of my post 
 e, where 
 You see, just say the word THINK. All that is 
 derived alles correct. Presidency has made no decision. 








 * ... The Presidency considers that fail Carrasco Sr.Humberto 
 residency requirements for acceptance as a candidate 
 vlido within the electoral process, which is open to cover 
 representative office LACRALO to ALAC * ... 
















 2) It is a mistake to go to a votacin agree or not decisin 
 does not exist and never existed. This president does not expressly 
 against which the region is expressed and to make the decision. : What 
 will not 
 and allow opondr me, voting is based on incorrect assumptions 
 and 
 Against decisions that did not exist. 
















 3) Not having clear rules brings disadvantages. The powers of the 
 estn presidency within a frame within a valid assembly. No 
 ALUSIN there any permisin to make a decision of that kind, 
 but there is no explicit denial thereof. 
















 With these points covering cuestin aqusolo wanted to clarify, and 
 Monday tendroportunidad day to answer questions 
 want.Once again, the president never had a decisin nor opposed the 
 votacin.Asimismo consult with legal staff of ICANN, and 
 talk to everyone who should speak cuestin also expressed in my 
 email. 
 I ask all who read the email again and if 
 doubt consult 
 close range. 
















 With this aclaracin, hopefully clarification on Monday and fix everything. 
















 Regards 








 JosArce 
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