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Sun Aug 19 16:34:32 UTC 2012

Sorry Alberto, I have not written anything offensive. It therefore has to be 
the translation. I REPEAT, I HAVE NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING OFFENSIVE.

ROK

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From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
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From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

Please can someone translate the inglsa Rok, to stop
free offend?
Rok, may reduce your feedback please without words
offensive? Do not know the right way, without offending? If you do not know
do so, shall do ...

Alberto Soto

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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of
rok at bango.org.bb
Posted on: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 a.m.
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From: rok at bango.org.bb

Jose,

I have problems in Translation but from what I understand to mean,
this is my answer:

You did make a decision that is not really yours. Unable
determine that a candidate does not meet the requirements when
ample evidence in the rules suggests that the applicant meets the
requirements. A decisin decisin is in one way or another. Is a
cuestin of
tratde opininy to impose their view. If one rules Quera
President for execution decisions that have written in the
same
explaining how the administrative role of the secrete. If a
estahno rule can not assume that you can carry out this
function.

The rules are very clear and can not be attributed to a role smismo
this is
hay.Hay not a reason for quel President has no executive
estclaro paper and from the rules that the reason for this is not as,
this is
action because the rules for all members to participate in the
take
making. This is very consistent with the spirit of the rules. Ques

inconsistent with the rules is that a person can not make a decision
on
names of all members of LACRALO and therefore, in the absence of
to make such provisions decisin especficas, you exceed your
limits, if you do. In such Accin law called &quot;Vires
Ultra &quot;.

How can be a mistake to let the members decide? You're saying
that
members are not competent to make this decision? Or are you afraid of
that
most Humberto decided that meets the requirement, which is what
you do not want?Do not you trust most to make the decision
correct?

Now this is a problem. You are not &quot;president&quot;. You
is President. Use
president's word is misleading and can not assume that because you
are President to have the entire executive branch. His role as
President writes to the operating principles of LACRALO
Paragraph 4:

&quot;Its functions include, inter alia, to establish a link
between
ALAC discussions and contributions made by the region, representing
The ALAC region in face to face meetings and lead discussions of

Assembly held through discussion lists, teleconferences and
face to face
meetings. &quot;

No decision here, except in chairing meetings. Despite
their role as
emissary lets not take any decision or declare any LACRALO

positions that were not approved by the members of LACRALO. It seems
clear
to me that the rules are written in this way because it LACRALO
based on the total
participation, which is a fundamental aspect of democracy. Also
mean
ICANN and LACRALO not want any decision of a single man. It
established
inputs for wide. This is consistent with the form in
ICANN operates (looking
the contributions of users) and obviously was established LACRALO
this
spirit. According to the rules, this is not a one man show.
It is a
collective operation. Let us therefore respect the rules and not
mock the
rules to do what a man wants to be.

To use the preferred term, there is no &quot;power&quot; in the hands of the

President, all the power is in the hands of the members
collectively. The
rules are very clear on this point.As a member I will not LACRALO
sit and let you make a record that goes against the spirit
of
LACRALO or ICANN that were created with the specific purpose of gathering
opinions of users to influence policy
ICANN.

Let me say here that the Secretariat is provided with all the power
executive
given powers and this is limited to the administration, while the
President
has no executive powers whatsoever. Once again the role of
organization is the
reason for this, because even the Secretariat can not take such a decision.
I
therefore suggest that you familiarize yourself with the rules for
avoid a repeat of this kind of debacle. Also suggest that the
members
made the rules were not hallucinating or drunk in the
time,
knew exactly what they were doing and they wrote exactly
how
wanted the organization to manage.The &quot;power&quot; of LACRALO
is in the
Assembly and specifies what constitutes the Assembly.

South Korea

----- Original Message ----- 
From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:59
A: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com

Dear,

Just to clarify the situation so far seems confused about
of
the issue of implementation of ALAC, briefly discuss the situation

raised.

1) Most of you have spoken out against what
The president's decision drew. I have that first error. Never
decisin take some text and copy the last paragraph of my post
e, where
You see, just say the word THINK. All that is
derived alles correct. Presidency has made no decision.

* ... The Presidency considers that fail Carrasco Sr.Humberto
residency requirements for acceptance as a candidate
vlido within the electoral process, which is open to cover
representative office LACRALO to ALAC * ...

2) It is a mistake to go to a votacin agree or not decisin
does not exist and never existed. This president does not expressly
against which the region is expressed and to make the decision. : What
will not
and allow opondr me, voting is based on incorrect assumptions
and
Against decisions that did not exist.

3) Not having clear rules brings disadvantages. The powers of the
estn presidency within a frame within a valid assembly. No
ALUSIN there any permisin to make a decision of that kind,
but there is no explicit denial thereof.

With these points covering cuestin aqusolo wanted to clarify, and
Monday tendroportunidad day to answer questions
want.Once again, the president never had a decisin nor opposed the
votacin.Asimismo consult with legal staff of ICANN, and
talk to everyone who should speak cuestin also expressed in my
email.
I ask all who read the email again and if
doubt consult
close range.

With this aclaracin, hopefully clarification on Monday and fix everything.

Regards

JosArce
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