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amedinagomez at gmail.com
amedinagomez at gmail.com
Mon Apr 26 02:13:21 CDT 2010
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From: amedinagomez at gmail.com
Dear Alexander and friends of Lacralo.
I request excuses by not having been all the meeting of yesterday but
unfortunately it had a previous commitment. ACUI from its creation (2000)
it has actively participated in diverse activities and scenes, with
intention to affect the decisions, is the case of subjects likeGovernment
Electronic, Electronic Commerce, Education, co and from the 2007 we led
the Internet Governance Forum Colombia, which has demanded us time and
significant efforts. And we have made it with transparency and
responsibility, since indeed we considered to Internet like
instrument to the service of the development of the people andthe organizations
public and prevailed. Our mission as Association of Users is to promote
the socialization, knowledge, use and advantage of the Technologies of
Information and Communications and in individual of Internet in the country. We are
it jeopardize with our institutional mission. In many of the cases it has
absence or little presence, even of the international community, that in
no of the cases appeared at the opportune moment. And we know of
national and international experts who have participated in diverse
processes. We continued making our task, which is not far fromeasy and that
it is to gain spaces of extreme importance, recognition and even
representativeness, little by little, with work and tezón.
With respect to which Alexander mentions, and I believe that the answer in general goes
for all in the list, I want to mention again and Jose Luis does one
important reflection since it visualizes to a great extent as it were the process.
It is certain that within the extreme arguments that used some of
you, in relation to the management undertaken by the U of the $andes it stops
to impel the discussions on the subject, where the one was even criticized that
it could be understood like "the cession of the dominion to a foreign company",
it took to mention elements how the one that now comes to collation... A sale
of the name of the mother country.
Despite now (10 years later), he would be more advisable to understandof
a part, that the patrios symbols are defined in the Constitution and
laws and that the dominion CO, is not indeed including like one
of them. Of equal way, that the argument of bottom in that then, and
gathered in the final uprisings of the high Colombian cuts,
Congress of the Republic, the advice of State and the same Government
National, is that she would have to be the National Governmentand not a deprived organization,
who defines the form how CO must be administered to the dominion. Thanks a
the ACUI contributions were created the conditions and changesoccurred
significant.
Of these conclusions a process had to go ahead to replace one
administration guided by the criterion of an only organization(of nature
prevailed in a 100%), to a new model that would have to be defined by
Government.
He was there, where beginning occurred to a process, in which ACUI, that in that
then and it seems to me advisable to mention it, it was not ALS, process that lasted
several years and that the definition of this model had like objective.
they conformed internal commissions within the Ministry, went ahead
public sounding to define the first elements and in such sense
Ministry contracted to the professional services of aesores and experts
international that helped with their knowledge; it was consulted to the ICANN,
forums and debates became public in who we participated many
actors of the community, published themselves in the official page of the Ministry
(today Mintic) the work rough drafts, commented and debated and
finally a new model of administration of the dominion was defined and
they advanced the managements for its implementation.
The model of management of the dominion and its policies of administration, have
be object of debate and commentary and they gather the generalconsensus, and I say
general because asi is wanted or not is the democratic processes, in
process that has been arbitrated of public way by the institutions of
nation.
In an atmosphere of global access to the dominions, where any user
he has access to any dominion actually, certainly co, and
more than one sets out to implement the international community, are clear
alternatives to and the perhaps most important one of them arethat they offer,
availability, security, stability and agility in the administration,
for the management in the network on the part of us the users.
Sincerely,
Antonio Medina Go'mez
President
Colombian association of Users of Internet
The 23 of April of 2010 12:48, Jose Luis Barzallo
<joseluis at barzallo.com>he wrote:
> Dear companions > > the day I remained yesterday without voice in the call and Icould not do this > commentary on co > > seems to Me that the limit of intervention and participationis quite clear > as much of the ALS as of ICANN in the internal subjects of each country, much > more when certain bonds have legally not been closed of the form > usual. > > Creo that the one of was yesterday very important to say here "we are" and if us > does not worry the users about the world because that is ourmission, but either > we must satanizar the taken decision and much less to try than ACUI was > the decisional voice in the process, I am sure that Antonio will have done > to listen to its voice on the matter and its opinion is absolutely respectable, > explanation that I do although has not been attacked it nor demanded nothing else there > of its obligations. > > Agradezco and I congratulate the opinions that have been spilled because they us > will help future to observe with tho!
roughness those processes in which > by our nature we must act. > > warm Greetings, > > > Jose Luis Barzallo > > AEDIT > > www.aedit.org.ec > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > email: joseluis at barzallo.com > Exempt Ecuador > > original -----Mensaje > Of: mailto lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [: > lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Alexander > Pisanty > Envoy: Thursday, 22 of April of 2010 19:01 > For: to info at techlaw.com.ar > CC: Spanish LACRALO > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Dominio.co... Contribution OF ACUI to the list. > > Daniel, > > would introduce a shade. > > we can to neither it touches us like community, nor it touches to ICANN, to take part in > the internal subjects of any country. Particularly they remember that > agreements of the World-wide Summit on the Society of the Information > contains an agreement, that fought to blood !
and fire, that no indicates that > country can take part in th!
e admini
stration of ccTLD of another one. > > the responsibility that is unquestionable and inclaudicableis the one to discuss, > to define, to spread and to return object from dialogue theconjunction of interests of > the local community of Internet (LIC) and global (GIC) before which > gives the responsibility of ccTLD. This is clear in the RFC1519 and others > documents. > > cannot be compatible with that responsibility an argumentation that no > gives certainty about the policies of ccTLD "stakeholders". > > To risk of happening to me of didactic for some, is necessary to remember that > "stakeholders" is "to which the subject goes to them in something", life, honor, > business, I interest, principles. > > To the companies, institutions and organizations of our countries > must worry that a TLD arises (cc or g) that is lent to registries of > names that force them to defensive registries. To registrars, ISPs, > etc. of the region worries the risk to them about confusionof its us!
ers and > everything what he forces to them to adapt his instructive ones, guides, documents and > operations (including antiSpam, phishing, etc.) > > and to all worries to us that bad examples spread. If something is not it, that > is clear. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Daniel Monastersky wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:46:05 -0300 > > From: Daniel M!
onastersky <danielmonastersky at gmail.com> > > Reply-To: to i!
nfo at tech
law.com.ar > > To: Alexander Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> > > Cc: "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" < > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: > > > Windows-1252?Q?Re=A'_=5Blac=2Ddiscuss=2Des=5D_Dominio=Èco=85_Aporte_DE_AC > > UI_a _ = [ Windows-1252 ] the list. > > > > I add Me to the preoccupation of Alex. We must intervene in the affair and > > to notice that our mandate is exactly for avoiding that facts happen > > like the one of CO > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > Dr Daniel Monastersky > > Partner > > Techlaw | Lawyers > > to www.techlaw.com.ar > > > > CEO & Founder > > Robbed Identity > > www.identidadrobada.com > > > > > > > > day 22 of April of 2010 19:27, Alexander Pisanty > > <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> it wrote: > > > Andrés, Antonio, all, > > > > > > thousand excuses by not being able to participate in the today teleconferencing; m!
y > > > plans was frustrated minute in the last. > > > > > > Hopefully the subject that is in discussion, on co, allows us to explore > > > many to which it is related and is object of preoccupation and action of > > > our organizations, each one in individual and all altogether. > > > > > > Alexander Pisanty > > > > > > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. > > > Dr Alexander Pisanty > > > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > > > > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > > > > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http!
://www.isoc.org > > > * Participates in ICANN, http://ww!
w.icann.
org > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:11:22 +0000 > > > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj at hotmail.com> > > > > To: apisan at servidor.unam.mx, amedinagomez at gmail.com > > > > Cc: "[ Spanish Windows-1252 ] LACRALO" > > > > <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > Subject: [ Windows-1252 ] RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] Dominio.co~E Aporte OF > ACUI a > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Alexander, in the Teleconferencing that this happening in this > > > > same moment, I ask myself to him Antonio on this subject. > > > > Just tapeworm that to go away, asi that could not respond. > > > > > > > > Your I raise summarizes the preoccupation that habia raised and, al!
so > > > > > mia. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the contribution. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Andres > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:48:34 +0000 > > > > > From: apisan at servidor.unam.mx > > > > > To: amedinagomez at gmail.com > > > > > CC: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Dominio.co... Contribution OF ACUI to the list. > > > > > > > > > > Antonio, > > > > > > > > > > but putting the things a little more in clear. Whenoriginally > > > > > proposed, ten years ago, that co could be used likealternative a > > > > > com > > > > > by the interested ones, armed the one of San QuintÃn because "it was tried > > > > > to sell > > > > > the name of the Mother country "or something !
of which this affirmation is not one > > > > > ver!
sion > &
gt; > > > very exaggerated. > > > > > > > > > > the process of the decade had like objective to create new rules for > > > > > new operator and to replace the previous one. > > > > > > > > > > Now the new rules is being read because co can be > used > > > > > like alternative to com by the interested ones. > > > > > > > > > > How it explains ACUI or how ACUI reacts or how it denies like erroneous > > > > > ACUI this interpretation, that indeed could be erroneous or > > > > > incomplete? > > > > > > > > > > EYE: this question has meaning for the history of ccTLDs and > by > > > > > as much for the history and the culture of Internetin the region, and by > > > > > possible extension of its criteria, in a species ofRight > Compared, > > > > > a > > > > > other countries, thus to i!
nclude/understand the precedent is important. No > > > > > > deals with an attempt of interference of a country brother, respected and > > > > > wanted. > > > > > > > > > > Alexander Pisanty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. > > > > >. > > > > > Dr Alexander Pisanty > > > > > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > > > > > > > > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > > > > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > > > > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > > > > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > > > > > > > > &!
gt; * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://ww!
w.isoc.o
rg > > > > > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org > > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, [ ISO-8859-1 ] Antonio Medina Go'mez wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:18:04 -0500 > >>>>> From: "[ ISO-8859-1 ] Antonio Medina Go'mez" <amedinagomez at gmail.com> > >>>>> To: "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" > >>>>> <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >>>>> Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ Windows-1252 ] Dominio.co~E Aporte OF ACUI > a > >>>>> > >>>>> list. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear friends > >>>>> > >>>>> From the Colombian Association of Users of Internet we have been > >>>>> kind > >>>>> to the commentaries!
in relation to dominio.co and like ALS of Lacralo > >>>>> we want > >>>>> to make the following contributions. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is of fundamental importance of mentioning that the evolution and development > of > >>>>> > >>>>> dominions in Colombia associated to co has lived a complex process > but > >>>>> also participativo. > >>>>> > >>>>> the interested ones in knowing some these aspects, can accede > to > >>>>> vestibule of the Ministry of the Technologies of Information and > >>>>> Communications > >>>>> through the following connection > >>>>> http://www.mintic.gov.co/mincom/faces/index.jsp?id=1279 > >>>>> > >>>>> the Colombian Association of Users of Internet in thedevelopment of > >>>>> this > >>>>> process has part!
icipated actively in representation of the community > of > &g!
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t;>> usuary of Internet of Colombia. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is necessary to mention that a public process was made - by > less > >>>>> of 10 > >>>>> years -, in head of the Ministry of the Technologies of Information and > > >>>>> Communications, MINTIC, process that has been characterized - like many > >>>>> others > >>>>> by being opened, transparent and participativo, and the different ones > people > >>>>> and > >>>>> organizations who participated, at their moment presented/displayed > publicly > >>>>> his > >>>>> points of view or written proposal, scene of > >>>>> respect and of consensus. > >>>>> > >>>>> These processes allowed him, to in that then Ministryof > >>>>> Communications, to establish, as much the management model and > administration >!
>>>>> like > >>>>> the inherent policies to that administration and in individual > >>>>> criteria > >>>>> necessary for the evaluation and selection of the organization in charge of > > >>>>> administration. The last years, in this context it was lived > process > >>>>> of > >>>>> well-known Licitation and openly socialized. > >>>>> > >>>>> In these processes ACUI participated making the contributions > corresponding > >>>>> in > >>>>> work meetings that helped the Ministry to define aspects > >>>>> excellent and to help to obtain consensus, that is what finally > >>>>> enriches > >>>>> these discussions, all it in a democratic atmosphere. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is important then to remember that the Ministry of > >>>>> Technolo!
gies > >>>>> of Information and the Communicati!
ons has
under its responsibility > > >>>>> policy definition, the activities of control and monitoring of > >>>>> dominio.co <http://domino.co/>. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hay to emphasize that today dominio.co offers more value for > >>>>> community of > >>>>> Internet. It allows the users to be recognized and tobe located in > >>>>> Internet a > >>>>> global level, to take advantage of a standard world-wide class, with rules > clear > >>>>> and > >>>>> nondiscretionary of a single person. And this also has enormous > >>>>> benefits that are translated in efficiency, service, capacity and > price. > >>>>> > >>>>> Today we have a good, advisable, interesting dominionand the plus > >>>>> important, > >>>>> result of a participativo process. We must continue > task > >&g!
t;>>> of > >>>>> to work in an ambient transparency and of respect in order to obtain more > and > >>>>> better benefits usuary them and to support the decisions > adopted > >>>>> in > >>>>> consensus and right context. > >>>>> > >>>>> Antonio Medina Go'mez > >>>>> President > >>>>> Colombian Association of Users of Internet > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> lac-discuss-is mailing list > >>>>> lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.lacralo.org > >>>>> > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > &g!
t; > > > > __________________________________________!
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Antonio Medina Gomez
President
Colombian association of Users of Internet. ACUI
presidencia at acui.org.co
amedinagomez at gmail.com
http://www.acui.org.co
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