[EURO-Discuss] Trip to Caucasus - conclusions and recommendations

[EMP]

Veni, I do not see any sense to continue discussion in this way. If you
don't see any problems with Cyrillyc (may be not only Cyrillic, but at
least) IDNs - I am happy for you.
If anyone sees any problems - I have some explanations. Maybe they are
wrong. I will highly appreciate any other points of view. I know a lot
about a lot of processes in Ukraine. And I have no even minimal trust into
them.
It would be great to say, that the more I know about ICANN process, the
more I trust it in. At this moment I can't say it.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:

> Oksana,
> I'm sure you know the process, or you could - read the fast track manual,
> see how it is. If there was a way to do it differently, it would have been
> in the documents.
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2013, EMP wrote:
>
> > Veni, you are absolutely right, situations with .bg and .ykp are rather
> > similar (but the results are opposite). And you are ready to insist, that
> > you did not see lack of trust into the level of linguistic expertize from
> > ICANN regarding these issues?
> >
> > Best,
> > Oksana
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just for the record - I have not seen the "lack of trust" Oksana is
> > writing
> > > about "in the communit", especially I haven't seen
> > >
> > > "the lack of trust into ICANN in our community, of miscommunication,
> > > untransperancy and unaccountability from both sides (ICANN and
> Ukrainian
> > > applicant for .ykp)."
> > >
> > > I have seen different people unhappy about different aspects of what
> they
> > > think ICANN should be doing, and I have seen people unhappy with the
> IDN
> > > fast track (shall I mention .bg IDN?). But that's different from the
> > words,
> > > used by Oksana. If there has been miscommunication, please, let the
> > > regional VPs know about it. Likewise, if you believe ICANN has done or
> > > hasn't done something, esp. if required by our policies, let us (me and
> > > Nigel) know.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Veni,
> > > VP, GSE.
> > >
> > > On Sunday, July 14, 2013, EMP wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Roberto,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your reports and especially for all your
> > > > recommendations. You extremely clear identify major problems for
> > > > understanding the role and mission of ICANN in post-Soviet space.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Regional issue.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to repeat again and again, that there is " wide
> > unhappiness"
> > > > not only  "in the South Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan,
> > > > Georgia) about being considered in the Asia-Pacific-Australasia
> region"
> > > > instead of being included into the European region, but also in other
> > > > East-European countries (for example, in Ukraine). Being in one team
> > can
> > > > help us much more easy to overcome post-totalitarian past, to promote
> > > > multistakeholderism, to defend freedom and openness of Internet.
> > > >
> > > > I fully support your propositions and final report of ICANN
> Geographic
> > > > Regions Working Group (which is written in extremely balanced manner
> > and
> > > > does not demand any immediate seismic shakes, but provides a lot of
> > > > opportunities for self-identification). And I will be happy if ALAC
> > will
> > > > support this final report.
> > > >
> > > > 2. IDNs.
> > > >
> > > > My obsession with Ukrainian IDN cost  me a lot, nevertheless I am
> > > insisting
> > > > on the importance of this issue. This is the best example of the lack
> > of
> > > > trust into ICANN in our community, of miscommunication,
> untransperancy
> > > and
> > > > unaccountability from both sides (ICANN and Ukrainian applicant for
> > > .ykp).
> > > > I highly appreciate Rinalia and Sebastien interest to this problem,
> > and I
> > > > have to say, that, with their help,  we had a lot of progress
> regarding
> > > > this issue.
> > > >
> > > > Nevertheless, IDNs (and ccTLDs at the first place) have to be in
> center
> > > of
> > > > At-Large attention. I proposed to oblige ICANN staff to inform all
> > > national
> > > > representatives within ICANN (ALSes, GAC representatives, members of
> > > ccNSO
> > > > and gNSO and so on) directly about any question of special concern
> for
> > > > their country or region. I was said that it would be discussed in
> > Durban.
> > > > If I have to make now any further official steps to push this
> > initiative
> > > > forward, please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Outreach - 1
> > > >
> > > > Roberto wrotes:
> > > >
> > > > ALAC is present with ALSes in very few of these countries, and
> > completely
> > > > absent in all the "stans". This is related to the situation about
> human
> > > > rights, government control, freedom of press, and so on. However,
> > aren't
> > > we
> > > > in a vicious circle? In other words, which is the cause and which is
> > the
> > > > effect? Had we some active users organizations, wouldn't these be
> able
> > to
> > > > influence the government?
> > > >
> > > > This is extremely important question for countries without democratic
> > > > traditions, grass-root activities and culture of active civic
> > > > participation. And it's a pity that I couldn't participate in your
> > > meeting
> > > > in Durban. I will resend your letter to Dmitry Kokhmanjuk, ccTLD .ua
> > > > administrator (member of ccNSO), who is now in Durban. I hope he can
> > > > provide you with  a lot of information. And I am happy to invite you
> to
> > > > ENOG VI ( <http://www.enog.org/meetings/enog-6/>
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
> Veni
> http://veni.com
> https://facebook.com/venimarkovski
> https://twitter.com/veni
>
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