[EURO-Discuss] Regional advice on France at Large application needed
cheryl at hovtek.com.au
Mon Apr 28 07:22:56 EDT 2008
Only one point I will comment on / answer Vittorio.. the reason for why reply now... I have called for the vote on this application to go ahead at its designated last date that is the 30th April... To allow the ALAC to vote under the new system of regional and local advice we require that advice so the vote can go ahead...
From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb at bertola.eu]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:31 PM
To: Wolf Ludwig
Cc: Annette Mühlberg; Wolfgang Kleinwächter; Karen Banks; Jeanette Hofmann; Desiree Miloshevic; Sébastien Bachollet; William Drake; Veronica Cretu; Rudi Vansnick; Dr. Christoph Bruch; At-Large Staff; Cheryl Langdon-Orr; Discussion for At-Large Europe
Subject: Re: Regional advice on France at Large application needed
Wolf Ludwig ha scritto:
> Dear all,
> EURALO and its board is asked for opinion and advice on new ALS
> applications in its region. In previous cases our verifications
> didn’t show any difficulties or inconsistencies. Unfortunately in a
> recent one, the application from France @Large, we face some problems
> to come up with an unanimous recommendation.
> Repeated and detailed verifications of France at Large’s application by
> the staff and some of the board members showed the following
> *the type of organisation and its membership is rather unclear. In
> the application form, some of the crucial questions (2 d-e) on the
> participation, role and influence of individual Internet users, are
> answered with “No”. In question 2 f-j it is stated that the
> applicant/ALS has “no organizations as members“ and „ governmental
> bodies or quasi-governmental bodies as members“ neither. That means
> that the organisational character of the applicant is not evident
> after repeated checks.
I'm not sure I understand. According to the English application that was
posted to the EURALO list almost two months ago, in 2 d-e they say the
exact opposite of what you report, they say that decisions are taken by
their members. And in 2 e-f they say that they have no organizational
members and no governmental members, which is a good thing. That's why
we are asking those questions - to be sure that they are not controlled
by companies or governments.
> *the membership development,
> *the exact activities and
> *the financing/funding of the applicant.
> Therefore the Co-Chair and other board members cannot support
> France at Large’s application under consideration of the given
> information. If there is no objection from other board and EURALO
> members -- with any further reasons to be considered -- we would like
> to recommend non-approval to ALAC.
I am a EURALO Board member, but this is the first time I am asked an
opinion about this application. Can you explain me how and by whom this
application was discussed, to come to the recommendation above? I
remember the application being posted to the EURALO list, but I don't
remember any comment there. Was there any request to all Board members
or to the EURALO list for comments? If not, why not? In any case, I am
forwarding this message to the list so that everyone is informed and we
can have an open discussion.
In general, we have to be very cautious about rejecting new
applications, as it might look like a form of capture by the existing
RALO members. I do not have a final opinion yet, but I have known Jefsey
Morfin - the France at Large leader - for years, and even if he often has
very controversial opinions, he exists and he has been participating to
the At Large since the year 2000, which is more than can be said of
several accredited ALSes. There should be a clear reason to reject this
application, not just "we're not sure" or "we don't like him". That's a
guarantee for a new Ombudsman case.
> Please note that we need to know your opinion within the NEXT 2 DAYS.
Nothing has happened for two months, so why all this hurry now?
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